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Stop the radio shows!

We have been inundated with new radio shows in the last few years. It seems as if everybody is getting a show now, and why not? Its cheap, easy and a great way to market your self.

I wish more DJs would put out real live sets, which were actually recorded in the clubs. In the end, that is what I want to hear from the DJ, what their sound would be like if I went to see them at a show.

Their radio shows just do not do that. They are filled with tracks which are needed to lift what ever labels, promote their artist friends, and just do not provide a nice feel.

Just take a look at the tracklist forum, and see what I am talking about. How many of the threads are for actual sets recorded live on location, and how many of them are for Internet radio shows?

In the end, I also think it creates a false expectation for the listener/fan. DJs usually play more mellow, sedate stuff on air, because well you are sitting at home in your chair listening, and not dancing. So when the listener goes to the club, they want to hear what they heard on the net, and maybe not what is appropriate for a club setting.

I hate to use Armin as an example (I am not bashing him), but I just have to. When I got to see him, so many fans are putting up their phones with requests, like its some call in radio show. Its a club for sakes people, let the DJ do their thing and build. Let them pick the mood of the night, and create atmosphere. With so many different requests, the set is doomed to be all over the place.

Bring back the LIVE sets!

i kinda agree, i enjoy a liveset more than a prerecorded set.


i like making prerecorded sets though, shows a bit more varaity of what you can do..... findiing hot tracks etc that might be too mellow to use in a regular set.. intro tracks im talking about.

To some extent, I have to agree. They all spin the same tunes, over and over again. There is little diversity left. I liked Galen Behr's last few radio shows: along with new tracks, he threw in some classics.

even though i don't listen to radio shows very often, i don't think radio shows should be stopped exactly. but yes, definitely bring the live sets. i like hearing the audience reaction to what is beingplayed and HOW it was played in the club. i like the sound of the live shows a lot better than just radio shows. it's a different energy...

It requires higher quality and less quantity.

Weekly shows can go down the plug because the DJ operates a much looser selection process in order to fill their show with tunes they wouldn't normally use, just to make 2hrs.

Monthly shows i have no problem with, on the whole, it allows a DJ to showcase their favourites at the time.

What i would like to see is less amateur shows. There is a tendency at the moment for the huge amount of internet radio stations to use amateur or fringe DJs who wouldn't get a quality show together, if it wasn't for listening to using Armin as an exmaple again. How many tunes are hyped and played by huge amounts of amateur radio DJs just because its "ASOT playlisted"

I like what PvD has done with Vonyc Sessions, and i hope Tiesto's new show takes the same stance. Armin's ASOT is an institution, but beyond these 3, why do we have so many other non-professionals using the same style as the above.

A DJ should be able to do a daily show without playing the same tunes over and over or throwing in tracks as "filler."

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles A DJ should be able to do a daily show without playing the same tunes over and over or throwing in tracks as "filler."

And where is he going to find the time to do this?

A better way to phrase that would be this: If a good DJ had a daily show, he would not have to use the same tracks over and over and throw in tracks as "filler."

Obviously some DJs have other jobs, so they would not actually be able to put on a daily show. But they should have enough good tunes that they could fill a daily show without reusing the same tracks.

That's what a DJ is supposed to do: find new good music that you might not otherwise hear and introduce it to you in a mix.

Not hammer the same damn "hits" over and over and over to fill stadiums or increase his "position" on some idiotic chart.

The "hit parade" variety of DJ could be replaced by robots soon enough if not for the fact that people seem to need an actual human being to idolize and put in place of the music.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles That's what a DJ is supposed to do: find new good music that you might not otherwise hear and introduce it to you in a mix. Not hammer the same damn "hits" over and over and over to fill stadiums or increase his "position" on some idiotic chart.

yes, it would be refreshing if the same hits are not recycled 24/7 in all of the shows. new music is nice to hear! i like finding out some new music and saying "hey, who's that by? what track is that called?" when i lsiten to sets.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles A better way to phrase that would be this: If a good DJ had a daily show, he would not have to use the same tracks over and over and throw in tracks as "filler." Obviously some DJs have other jobs, so they would not actually be able to put on a daily show. But they should have enough good tunes that they could fill a daily show without reusing the same tracks.

essentially you're saying DJs should have really low standards when choosing tracks.. there's no way in hell you could get enough new material otherwise

and if a track is exceptional & works well in various situations, why on earth would they not want to reuse it?

Don't worry, no one will have any dance music radio shows in a few weeks if they are based out of the US.

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Originally posted by isoterra essentially you're saying DJs should have really low standards when choosing tracks..

No. I said this: "But they should have enough good tunes..."

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there's no way in hell you could get enough new material otherwise

Yeah, unless your passion was something like, oh I don't know, discovering more great music every day and introducing it to other people. But what the hell kind of person has a passion like that?

Oh yeah: DJs.

+1 Orko

i always enjoyd when the crowd screams and clap their hands.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles No. I said this: "But they should have enough good tunes..."

i know you did, but what you really meant was 'tunes the dj likes', as they have subjective taste like anyone else. in order to want to get that many new tunes on a regular basis they'd have to be really easily pleased by what they hear..

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Yeah, unless your passion was something like, oh I don't know, discovering more great music every day and introducing it to other people. But what the hell kind of person has a passion like that? Oh yeah: DJs.

you're still missing my point.. you seem to be living in an idealistic imaginary world where an infinite amount of good quality music gets released every day. the plain truth is that it doesn't, and a dj with high standards who wishes to single out the cream of the crop is invariably going to have a pretty limited selection if they restrict themselves to only playing brand new music & never playing the same track twice (they'd also be pretty fucking pretentious too)

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Originally posted by isoterra i know you did, but what you really meant was 'tunes the dj likes', as they have subjective taste like anyone else. in order to want to get that many new tunes on a regular basis they'd have to be really easily pleased by what they hear..

Why? They have years of music to comb through.

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you're still missing my point.. you seem to be living in an idealistic imaginary world where an infinite amount of good quality music gets released every day.

The solution to this is simple: stop playing just "new releases." If a DJ does this, suddenly he will find that the number of quality tracks available to him increases quite a bit.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles That's what a DJ is supposed to do: find new good music that you might not otherwise hear and introduce it to you in a mix.

Music can be "new" to both a DJ and his audience without having just been released.

fair enough. it was used pretty ambiguously

Anyway, the main point is that DJs, if they want to be interesting, should not hammer the same tracks over and over again like little "hit robots."

It baffles me that people idolize them for doing something so absurdly simple and mindless.

Yeah! Some great discussion in here, good job guys!

I just think the frequency of some of these shows need to be cut back. If they are going to stick to one genre its just too hard to find new tracks all the time.

Take Pete Tong for example. The Essential Selection has been running strong for 14 years now? He does it by playing stuff from all over the place, its almost all dance, but the sub-genres change from song to song. He plays what he thinks is hot, whether its trance, house, or even hip hop.

Also, these shows with 30 minute guest mixes, what the hell is 30min? It's usually just a showcase for that DJ to play their own tracks, or tracks from their labels. I think a DJ needs at least 1 full hour to show what they would bring to table if you went to see them.

yeah. i don't think the problem is too many radio shows, i think it's too many radio shows playing the same god damn tracks. every show should be completely different, not just carbon copies of ASOT.

hopefully soon i'll get a radio show, not because i feel i deserve one, but just because i'd actually play a style you won't be able to find much other places (florida breaks mixed with dark/euphoric trance and even some hard house). you know, anything that's NOT mcprog or progpsy or electro house...

at least one hour that's why the only radio show i pretty much listen to is the bbc essential mix

Returning to the first post. I see what you mean, is true that these radio shows not often reflect what these djs than turnsout to spin in the clubs, but radio shows are different than clubs set so I personally can accept that. What I can't accept is radio sets that are just a bunch of songs put togheter to present the newest release without any kind of flow or thought behind them, like ASOT and TATW, that even worse are also just a collection of the usually most commercial and predictable songs coming out on the market. Live sets are obviously much more instinctive, but I really cannot accept radio shows without any kind of programming behind them.
So imho the question is not to stop the radio shows, but to boycott the one of really low quality and try to promote the one that emerge qualitywise. I personally really like the shows of John "OO" Fleming (monthly), Airwave (monthly) and Under Sun (weekly), it's quiet amazing to think that these guys are spinning the same music genre as Asot and Tatw, because the quality difference is amazing in my opionion.

Re: Stop the radio shows!

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Originally posted by Orko Just take a look at the tracklist forum, and see what I am talking about. How many of the threads are for actual sets recorded live on location, and how many of them are for Internet radio shows? Bring back the LIVE sets!

word. internet radio and shoutcasts have oversaturated the playing field with (unimaginative) uniformity -- even as they've achieved the admirable goal of democratizing the scene.

back in the day, available sets were generally limited to broadcasts of live gigs which, in the absence of a wide range of choices, everyone listened to (hence why there weren't requests for links in every thread).

radio shows can be a positive force if done properly. pvd, for example, allows enough of his live gigs to be released to satisfy his global fanbase, while using radio fritz to be more experimental. digweed on kiss was sort of similar. balance is important (but if pressed for one or the other, i'd take a live gig recording over a studio set every time).

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