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France opens secret UFO files covering 50 years
Here's an interesting development from France:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2007032...fo_070322143210
PARIS (AFP) - France became the first country to open its files on UFOs Thursday when the national space agency unveiled a website documenting more than 1,600 sightings spanning five decades.
The online archives, which will be updated as new cases are reported, catalogues in minute detail cases ranging from the easily dismissed to a handful that continue to perplex even hard-nosed scientists.
"It is a world first," said Jacques Patenet, the aeronautical engineer who heads the office for the study of "non-identified aerospatial phenomena."
Known as OVNIs in French, UFOs have always generated intense interest along with countless conspiracy theories about secretive government cover-ups of findings deemed too sensitive or alarming for public consumption.
"Cases such as the lady who reported seeing an object that looked like a flying roll of toilet paper" are clearly not worth investigating, said Patenet.
But many others involving multiple sightings -- in at least one case involving thousands of people across France -- and evidence such as burn marks and radar trackings showing flight patterns or accelerations that defy the laws of physics are taken very seriously.
A phalanx of beefy security guards formed a barrier in front of the space agency (CNES) headquarters where the announcement was made, "to screen out uninvited UFOlogists," an official explained.
Of the 1,600 cases registered since 1954, nearly 25 percent are classified as "type D", meaning that "despite good or very good data and credible witnesses, we are confronted with something we can't explain," Patenet said.
On January 8, 1981 outside the town of Trans-en-Provence in southern France, for example, a man working in a field reported hearing a strange whistling sound and seeing a saucer-like object about 2.5 meters (eight feet) in diameter land in his field about 50 meters (yards) away.
A dull-zinc grey, the saucer took off, he told police, almost immediately, leaving burn marks. Investigators took photos, and then collected and analyzed samples, and to this day no satisfactory explanation has been made.
The nearly 1,000 witness who said they saw flashing lights in the sky on November 5, 1990, by contrast, had simply seen a rocket fragment falling back into earth's atmosphere.
Patenet's answer to questions about evidence of life beyond Earth was sure to inflame the suspicions of those convinced the government is holding back: "We do not have the least proof that extra-terrestrials are behind the unexplained phenomena."
But then he added: "Nor do we have the least proof that they aren't."
The CNES fields between 50 and 100 UFO reports ever year, usually written up by police. Of these, 10 percent are the object of on-site investigations, Patenet said.
Other countries collect data more or less systematically about unidentified flying objects, notably in Britain and in the United States, where information can be requested on a case-by-case basis under the Freedom of Information Act.
"But we decided to do it the other way around and made everything available to the public," Patenet said.
The aim was to make it easier for scientists and other UFO buffs to access the data for research.
The website itself -- which crashed host servers hours after it was unveiled due to heavy traffic -- is extremely well organized and complete, even including scanned copies of police reports.
To visit the website: www.cnes-geipan.fr.
very nice
is that means that any UFO's evidence'll happen inthe future
If most UFOs tend to be saucer shaped, we need to determine whether these structures hold merit from an engineering point of view. Aerodynamically, I assume that streamlined shape is most efficient to travel through a medium. None of the "earthly" aerospace vehicles are saucer shaped. Even in nature, we find that creatures that need to travel through a medium are streamlined. Maybe the saucer shape is perfect to travel at faster than speed of light, through warped space-time continuum. Who knows 
Heres also an interesting development from Russia:
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| 1. Astronomers Margaret Turnbull and Jill Tarter of the Carnegie Institution in Washington, D.C., have compiled a list of 17,129 nearby stars most likely to have planets that could support complex life. Extraterrestrial forms of life may exist in the solar system too (nasa.gov) BREAKING NEWS Iran arrests 15 British sailors in Iraqi waters Knut, Berlin Zoo's polar bear baby, makes its public debut Russia mourns victims of three tragedies in which 176 were killed World's hairiest man finds his lifetime partner More... 2. Astronomer Frank Drake made the first scientific attempt to contact alien beings in 1960, when he used an 85-foot radio dish at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in West Virginia to listen for signals from two nearby sunlike stars. 3. The more sophisticated efforts of the SETI Institute in Mountain View, California, haven't fared any better. Since 1995, this privately funded project has scanned more than 1,000 stars, at a cost of $5 million a year, for alien radio squeaks. 4. Download software from the SETI@home project to sift for alien signals on your home PC. 187,000 other people have. 5. Most likely spots for alien life in our solar system: underground refuges on Mars, hot spots on Saturn's moon Enceladus (whose south pole is dotted with geysers), and Jupiter's moons Europa and Callisto (whose icy crusts may conceal vast, underlying oceans of water). 6. Perhaps the earliest UFO sighting occurred in 1450 B.C., when Egyptians saw bright circles of light in the sky. Some UFO obsessives interpret Ezekiel: 1 in the Bible as a UFO report. 7. In a 2003 Harvard study, seven of 10 self-professed abductees stated under hypnosis that they had been used for breeding or sexual experiments by their alien captors. 8. Allan Cheyne, a psychologist at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, says that those who believe they've been abducted by aliens are often prone to experience sleep paralysis. 9. In space, no one can hear you sneeze: Streptococcus mitis, a bacterium that infects the nose and throat, was inadvertently sent to the moon aboard the Surveyor 3 probe. The bugs were still alive when Apollo 12 astronauts retrieved the probe's camera two and a half years later. 10. On September 30, 2006, the French Center for National Space Studies beamed Cosmic Connexion, a TV program aimed at extraterrestrials, at a sunlike star called Errai 45 light-years from Earth. The video should reach them in 2051. Source: Discover |
Life should be a very common phenomenon in the universe. There are billions of galaxies each containing billions of stars.
There's three possibilities of how aliens get here:
1. Wormholes via blackholes within the Earth or near the Earth (possibly Bermuda Triangle and the Devil's/Pacific Triangle).
2. Power that allows their spacecraft to go faster than the speed of light, or close to it. (possibly electro-magnentic or plasma based)
3. They don't need to travel far at all, they could have bases on the Earth or near Earth. (such as the Moon, Mars, large motherships, underwater or mountain bases).
These are just three ideas, dunno which one is correct but it could be all three:
I think the US Government should someday release files. They can't keep it under-wraps forever. I think UFOs could be three of these things, or all of them.
1. Alien controlled spacecraft and satellites/drones (unoccupied)
2. Advanced US Military Aircraft (could be due to Alien technology)
3. Unknown aerial phenomenon or energies and ships from other dimensions
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| Originally posted by Omega_M Life should be a very common phenomenon in the universe. There are billions of galaxies each containing billions of stars. |
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| Originally posted by M.Johan very nice is that means that any UFO's evidence'll happen inthe future |
I take it that you have seen one. I am of the opinion that almost all of the unexplained sighting can be explained by science. There are still a number of natural phenomena that are not well known and could lend themselves to scientific explanations. Even ghosts can have a very rational and scientific explanations. Here's one.
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| Research by Vic Tandy, a lecturer at Coventry University, suggested that the frequency 19 hertz was responsible for many ghost sightings. He was working late one night alone in a supposedly haunted laboratory at Warwick, when he felt very anxious, and could detect a grey blob out of the corner of his eye. When he turned to face it, there was nothing. The following day, he was working on his fencing foil, with the handle held in a vice. Although there was nothing touching it, it started to vibrate wildly. Further investigation led him to discover that the extraction fan was emitting a frequency of 18.98 Hz, very close to the resonant frequency of the eye (given as 18 Hz in NASA Technical Report 19770013810). This was why he saw a ghostly figure - it was an optical illusion caused by his eyeballs resonating. The room was exactly half a wavelength in length, and the desk was in the centre, thus causing a standing wave which was detected by the foil. [4] Vic investigated this phenomenon further, and wrote a paper entitled The Ghost in the Machine[5]. He carried out a number of investigations at various sites believed to be haunted, including the basement of the Tourist Information Bureau next to Coventry Cathedral [6] and Edinburgh Castle [7][8] |
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| ...the symptoms listed by Temple (1976) for low frequency sound waves are; Severe middle ear pain (not experienced), persistent eye watering, and respiratory difficulties, sensations of fear including excessive perspiration and shivering. Table IV on page 212 of this book shows frequencies causing disturbance to the eyes and vision to be within the band 12 to 27 Hz |
"In 1947, devices that the U.S. government called "flying disks" crashed in the desert of New Mexico. The debris was collected by a team from the nearby Roswell Army Air Base, which was one of the most highly classified locations in the United States. The government put out a press release announcing that flying disks had crashed, and the story made headlines in the respected local newspaper, The Roswell Daily Record. Take a moment to look at the headlines for July 8, 1947: RAAF Captures Flying Saucer
www.muller.lbl.gov/teaching/Physics...DailyRecord.jpg
RAAF stands for Roswell Army Air Force.
The next day, the U.S. government retracted the press release, and said their original announcement was mistaken. There were no flying disks, they claimed. It was only a weather balloon that had crashed.
Anybody who had seen the debris knew it wasn't a weather balloon. It was far too large, and it appeared to be made from some exotic materials. In fact, the object that crashed was not a weather balloon. The government was lying, in order to protect their finding from the communists. No wonder why the story was changed to a weather balloon the next day. And most people could tell that the government was lying.
In a nutshell, the story of the Roswell incident, perhaps the most famous of UFO cases, reads like this:
The U.S. government says it has recovered a flying saucer. Then it says it hasn�t. People believe the denial. Then they don�t. The government admits there was a cover-up, but says it wasn't a cover-up of an alien spacecraft.
Omega,
you seem like a smart dude with an open mind. don't get sucked into the whole "science can explain everything" mentality, because it can't. atleast not yet. science has yet to really "think outside the box" in terms of paranormal activity, and there is A LOT of evidence supporting ghosts, spirits, whatever. you yourself being into hinduism should know that opening your 3rd eye allows you to see spirits, auras, whatever. kids are born with this gift but as we grow up we stop using it and it lies dormant. some animals, dogs for instance, can detect spirits. is it really that hard to fathom the idea of life after death? ghosts are just people who died a traumatic death and cling to this world afraid to let go. nothing to be scared of, they can't hurt you.
and about UFOs, http://www.disclosureproject.org/
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| Originally posted by Haunted Omega, you seem like a smart dude with an open mind. don't get sucked into the whole "science can explain everything" mentality, because it can't. atleast not yet. science has yet to really "think outside the box" in terms of paranormal activity, and there is A LOT of evidence supporting ghosts, spirits, whatever. you yourself being into hinduism should know that opening your 3rd eye allows you to see spirits, auras, whatever. kids are born with this gift but as we grow up we stop using it and it lies dormant. some animals, dogs for instance, can detect spirits. is it really that hard to fathom the idea of life after death? ghosts are just people who died a traumatic death and cling to this world afraid to let go. nothing to be scared of, they can't hurt you. and about UFOs, http://www.disclosureproject.org/ |
the problem with people is that if its not on CNN they won't believe it, haa.
what ever happened to having an open mind about something, you really think we know everything there is to know about reality? do you really think the physical world is it? we've been living on this small ass rock the whole time, why is it not okay to say there are aliens there and maybe they are checking us out? or that maybe there are spirits living amongst us?
but of course, until the president comes out and says it you'll remain closed minded. good for you though, ignorance is bliss. you can continue going on with your merry little life, going on TranceAddict forums everyday insulting and arguing with people, totally ignoring the fact that you're living in your own, and society's, tiny little bubble.
i think the Power Rangers said it best
"I call upon the power of Titanus and the Ultrazord"
-Red Ranger
I fail to believe these files are from France unless I see people running in horror with a white flag somewhere in the video / picture...
Haunted, doesn't understand the point of conspiracy theories. And no Im not saying that there isn't life out there. Im saying if there was we would already be dead or we are too unimportant to even bother with.
The Paranormal should be investigated scientifically, but being scientific doesn't neccessarily mean writing things off as being "not true" if whatever it is doesn't land in front of your feet. Haunted is right, it does take an open mind, and true scientists would investigate UFOs and Alien and Ghosts and such. I think if we can investigate ghosts, we could eventually learn about the "soul" which could be something more scientific, say something to do with plasma-energy that is released by the body after death that could be located in the brain (possibly having to do with the neurotransmitter/chemical DMT). Some UFOs could be unknown phenomenon, the problem with that however, is that there are a lot of sightings that clearly show the UFO as a mechanical..technological and controlled craft, not natural phenomenon. Some of the blobs or glowing energy balls that have been seen "could" be natural phenomenon. We don't know for sure. Others like I've said, could be and very well might by..experimental aircraft created by the military.
These explanations all are scientifically rational, as clearly a structured ship that has manouvres that can't be done by the aircraft we currently have or do have but are top secret, which is kind of stupid because many of these aircraft have been spotted all over the world, like the infamous triangle ship seen in Belgium, Montreal, Israel, Indiana and Phoenix (which the one we know of was those flare-like objects seen over the city, but others outside of the city saw a triangle shaped craft being escorted by military airplanes which leads one to believe it was an experimental aircraft).
Here's some photographic evidence of it for those who need it. Clearly that is not some unknown natural aerial phenomenon. I'm not saying it's alien, it could very well be military, but who knows. Kinda funny to have something "top secret" be flown all over. It even flew over a military base at Bentwaters in England in the early 80s. Some MP's and a Seargant saw it, they had no idea what it was and they were right under it. Witnesses outside of the base, like a farmer, saw it as well. Same exact object. Even was spotted in the early 90s by two police officers, one in Indiana and the other in Ohio I believe.
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r I fail to believe these files are from France unless I see people running in horror with a white flag somewhere in the video / picture... |
Hey, all I am saying is, ,,,,,,
they are among us... 
It's all fun and games until someone gets probed.
An open mind is good, but don't open it so far your brains leak out.
Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to believe in a lot of things that are normally classes as 'paranormal' or whatever, but I think a lot of people take this UFO obsession too far. I think it's possible, maybe even likely, that aliens have made contact with humanity in some manner. But I think it's equally likely that 99%, maybe 100%, of so called sightings are bullshit.
As to these released files, it doesn't mean much. Oldest trick in the book, when someone calls you out on lying about something, and you know they've got you, throw them a bone by admitting to a lesser portion of their accusation so they get so caught up in that that they ignore the really serious stuff. Works like a charm. Could mean that they've released these files because they have nothing to hide, equally likely they're still hiding it. So w/e.
/tinfoil hat.
yeah. the super-alien species, which has solved all the energy & practical problems of inter-galaxy travel, fly billions of light years across the universe just to
A) crash when they get here
or
B) ruin their top-secret mission by getting caught on polaroid by some peasant staring at the night sky.
i think it would be pretty amazing for us to be the only higher lifeform in the entire universe, but jumping from that belief to "there could be vortexes somewhere beneath the bermuda triangle" is too much of a stretch even for the chinese olympic gymnastic team.
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yeah. the super-alien species, which has solved all the energy & practical problems of inter-galaxy travel, fly billions of light years across the universe just to A) crash when they get here or B) ruin their top-secret mission by getting caught on polaroid by some peasant staring at the night sky. i think it would be pretty amazing for us to be the only higher lifeform in the entire universe, but jumping from that belief to "there could be vortexes somewhere beneath the bermuda triangle" is too much of a stretch even for the chinese olympic gymnastic team. |
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| Originally posted by metalgearsolid Haunted, doesn't understand the point of conspiracy theories. And no Im not saying that there isn't life out there. Im saying if there was we would already be dead or we are too unimportant to even bother with. |
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