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Are Vocal Trance bad for Trance?

Are their more Vocal trance tracks now than their were before? Are they more bad now? Has the trend in vocals have changed too?


Its not that sweet vocals without any words in it anymore.. these new tracks have long lines, lots of words and a story behind it.. just like in Pop tracks and Rap.. and these male vocal trance tracks ..

Do you like these new Vocal tracks of today?

no, i don't like them.

there have always been a lot of vocal tracks, but in the past they were done better, and a lot of those who did do them were specialists at getting the vocals to fit, eg space brothers/chakra/lustral as a perfect example of well done vocal tunes. Now also a lot of labels throw them onto a song which was fine to begin with to create a more mass appeal, thus commercialising it. It might sell a bit more to some kids who have no clue, but those who liked the track before may not buy it unless there's an instrumental to help them.

no

I hate vocals in trance, they are killing it. But there are few vocal trance tracks that I love for their vocals.

Are Vocal Trance bad for Trance?
...(not always)
Are there more Vocal trance tracks now than there were before?
YES
Are they more bad now?
YES(the majority)
Has the trend in vocals changed too?
YES

Its not that sweet vocals without any words in it anymore.. these new tracks have long lines, lots of words ---.. just like in Pop tracks and Rap.. and these male vocal trance tracks sound very gay..
+1

Do you like these new Vocal tracks of today?
...(very few)

the majority of vocal trance has lyrics that are way too cliche, too poppy and they recycle a lot of the same vocalists. a lot of the same theme has been repeated in trance tracks to this date...most of the lyrics are nothing new.

trance tracks that play on vocal effects, rather than lyrics can be prety cool.

some female vocals do not sound good in certain trance tracks. anyhow, good thing for instrumental versions!

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Originally posted by Ian there have always been a lot of vocal tracks, but in the past they were done better, and a lot of those who did do them were specialists at getting the vocals to fit, eg space brothers/chakra/lustral as a perfect example of well done vocal tunes. Now also a lot of labels throw them onto a song which was fine to begin with to create a more mass appeal, thus commercialising it. It might sell a bit more to some kids who have no clue, but those who liked the track before may not buy it unless there's an instrumental to help them.

+1

I miss good vocal tracks such as Cass & Slide - Perception (New Vocal Mix). Any vocal track done today is utter gash compared to that one.

this thread is bad for trance.

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these male vocal trance tracks sound very gay..

That has nothing to do with the question.

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Originally posted by Push2005 +1 I miss good vocal tracks such as Cass & Slide - Perception (New Vocal Mix). Any vocal track done today is utter gash compared to that one.

i gave up on vocals after holding onto nothing, which had huge sing-along possibilities and was fun. Since then, the best vocal tunes i've heard have all been proggy stuff (not the schulz prog though)

eg.

http://play.saikosounds.com/m3u/06e/95.m3u

ryhian sheehan ft jess chambers - hiding place (antix remix)
and the sub6 ft michele adamson - 7th son (ticon remix) is also nice.

I've noticed a lot more vocal songs popping up, and I don't mind, I love vocals (male or female) and my current favorite happens to be...

DJ Tiesto - Everything ft. Jes

Never liked vocals at all. The only stuff I can stand is that late 90s euro pop that doesn't take itself too seriousely (and isn't too emo), example; Jam & Spoon - Right in the night

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Originally posted by Faust_UA I hate vocals in trance, they are killing it. But there are few vocal trance tracks that I love for their vocals.

+1

in today's trance vocals are overused and it makes trance sound to much like pop music. That's not what trance is all about, if I really wanted to hear that, I would turn on the radio 'cause I can listen to enough vocal crap on there

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Originally posted by Ian Since then, the best vocal tunes i've heard have all been proggy stuff (not the schulz prog though)

in that vein, james alexander & pete gawtry - lost in you (miika kuisma remix) is by far the best vocal tune i've heard in the past few years.. really dark, subtle & atmospheric. recommended if you haven't heard it (although it's on j00f recordings so guessing you prob have )


as for regular asot/mainstream trance, i find the luminary stuff tends to be a cut above the rest, with fairly classy & unintrusive vocals that fit well on their respective tracks without giving them too much of a poppy feel

Vocals should be the exception in trance and not the rule like it seems to be at the moment with some well known producers. In fact this was one of the reasons why I immediately liked EDM.

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Originally posted by Trancefxs Vocals should be the exception in trance and not the rule like it seems to be at the moment with some well known producers. In fact this was one of the reasons why I immediately liked EDM.

I agree. Although the odd song with good vocals is nice. E.G. Armin Van Buuren and Ronski speed do some nice singing. For the most part stay away from vocals though.

AvB sings?

I liked vocal tracks up till about 2005. I liked those in the past, like
Cass & Slide's "Perception (Vocal Mix)" as mentioned, Masters & Nickson's "Out There (5th Dimension)", Smith & Pledger's "Forever", Oceanlab's "Sky Falls Down", Thrillseeker's "Dreaming Of You" and Lange's "Sincere For You". Sure these are pop tracks, but as far as vocal tracks go, they are a lot better than the stuff being released nowadays. There's too many male vocals, and I blame Kyau vs. Albert and Ben Lost for kind of starting that trend...and then when KvA started teaming up with Anjunabeats...more producers followed. They can be good, and they don't really need to be deep, and philosophical, and can be pop-like, but should just sound better.

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Originally posted by Ian i gave up on vocals after holding onto nothing, which had huge sing-along possibilities and was fun. Since then, the best vocal tunes i've heard have all been proggy stuff (not the schulz prog though)

Agreed, Holding Onto Nothing was the last major vocal effort that worked for me, because of its self-consciously anthemic feel. But even in 2003, most vocal trance had become echo-padded pop tart syrup over paper thin production. There's none of the attempt to fuse talented vocal with production form as Chakra, BT, Mara, and others did so well.

On a related note, I think I've finally switched preference to the original version of Perception, though I still quite like the vocal.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Masters & Nickson's "Out There (5th Dimension)", Smith & Pledger's "Forever", Oceanlab's "Sky Falls Down", Thrillseeker's "Dreaming Of You" and Lange's "Sincere For You". Sure these are pop tracks, but as far as vocal tracks go, they are a lot better than the stuff being released nowadays.

Even though worse vocals followed those songs, they were still pretty bad. The last three, in particular, strike me as key points where shit vocal trance finally gained acceptance in the trance mainstream. (Not surprisingly, Armin championed them.)

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Originally posted by Cobalt Even though worse vocals followed those songs, they were still pretty bad. The last three, in particular, strike me as key points where shit vocal trance finally gained acceptance in the trance mainstream. (Not surprisingly, Armin championed them.)

Yeah I mean they aren't the best but I liked them and I thought they worked really well at the time. I mean there is worse out there like Ian van Dahl, Lasgo, DJ Sammy, Groove Coverage and the like. Now those were bad. But these were quite popular tracks at the time (2002). Pop? yes, trance? I don't know if you would exactly consider them "trance" but as pop-dance tracks, they are decent. Dance tracks vocals don't have to be Sarah McLachlan caliber good (though the remixes of her tracks are great), just some like the Lasgo crap....that's another story. Most of the vocalists on these tracks are quite popular and have been used many times with many popular tracks (Justine Suissa, Carrie Skipper, Kirsty Hawkshaw etc). They are right up there with Jan Johnston as far as mainstream trance-dance-pop music comes.

And again, none of them are Sarah McLachlan good, but like I said, dance music doesn't need Sarah Mclachlanesque vocals, just a little more musical than Lasgo's and Groove Coverage's horrible vocals (which are among the worst), which these singers are (more musically competent). Another track which I really don't consider trance at all, it's just a dance-pop track, is Andain's "Beautiful Things". I mean basically, what you might be hinting at and other people, is that they prefer vocals that are either 1. more subtle or 2. less pop-like/sing-songey. Which is fine, but some tracks are just...pop with a trance/dance feel, so they are going to naturally have a more sing-songey sound. A little more true vocal trance is so hard to find. If you want less pop-like stuff, then there are progressive house tracks with vocals, like say Terry Grant's "I'll Kill You".

Calling vocal trance trance is bad for trance.

Call it what it is: euro dance.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles AvB sings?

I assume love you more was him.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Calling vocal trance trance is bad for trance. Call it what it is: euro dance.

Yeah that's what I am sort of reluctant to do. They hardly sound like trance. As I said in my post, I dunno if some of the tracks I listed were "trance". And for all I know, if there are vocals in trance, they are a lot more subtle. Most of the trance out there is instrumental. But back in the day (2002, 2003, 2004) before I came on TA, I thought they were trance but with vocals, but I really didn't consider them "vocal trance". Now I think I do. There's trance with vocals and then there's vocal trance, which is pretty much a name for those listed as trance producers (like Above & Beyond) who produce vocal tracks (as well as instrumental, though more in the past). That's kind of why they are listed as trance, rather than just the generic term "euro-dance", which can apply to a lot of european dance artists/groups.

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