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United States Federal Agents set up inland checkpoints.

This is bullshit.

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Checkpoint sticks in Forks' craw by Danny Westneat The old logging town of Forks is filled with independent-minded folks who "live in the middle of nowhere. And want to keep it that way," jokes the mayor. So it didn't go over so well when the feds showed up last week and, in the name of fighting terrorism, made locals vouch for their citizenship. "It has created a lot of turmoil out here," says Nedra Reed, mayor of the town of 3,200 on the far side of the Olympic Peninsula. Starting at 8 a.m. last Thursday, federal Border Patrol agents blocked the highway outside town. For four hours, every car, truck and bus driving south on Highway 101 was pulled off the road and all passengers questioned. Layla Iranshad, 27, was headed to her job at Peninsula College. She says the agent asked her if she was a U.S. citizen (yes, she answered), then asked where she was born. "I said in England. Then he asked how I got my citizenship. He also wanted to know where I lived and where I was going. "It freaked me out. Since when in this country do we get stopped on the street and questioned about our citizenship?" U.S. Customs and Border Protection announced last week it will stop drivers at a series of random checkpoints on the Olympic Peninsula in the coming months. "The primary purpose of the temporary checkpoints is to support enhanced national-security efforts to deter, detect and prevent the threat of terrorist attacks against the American people," says a statement from the Border Patrol. The agency, which guards the international boundary, can set up "interior checkpoints" up to 100 miles from any border. The checkpoints have been used before near the Blaine crossing, but never on the Olympic Peninsula. Forks is 30 miles from the border, which lies in the Strait of Juan de Fuca. By these rules, the agency could set up a checkpoint in downtown Seattle, which is 70 miles from the border off Port Angeles. But why a counterterrorism operation in Forks? There's not a lot there, except a confluence of great fishing rivers (hence the name Forks) and the national-park beaches. There was no specific terrorist threat, says Bob Kohlman, a Border Patrol supervisor. "We are working on many initiatives to secure the border from a breach by terrorists or terrorist weapons of mass destruction," Kohlman said. "This is just one of those initiatives." Stopping traffic in Forks? The mayor is as dubious as I am. Forks has changed from its days as the "Logging Capital of the World." It's 20 percent Latino immigrants now, many of whom come to pick salal, an evergreen prized by florists. "People are feeling this is a fishing expedition for illegal immigrants," Reed said. That's what the government caught � seven undocumented workers, who were shipped to a detention center in Tacoma. It's true the Millennium Bomber was nabbed in nearby Port Angeles, back in '99. But that was at a border crossing. It ought to be tough to get in across our borders. But inside, in places like Forks, it's supposed to be the land of the free. Remember?

Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...79_danny21.html

This, in my opinion, is a violation of fundamental state rights and should not be tolerated by the citizens of the Pacific Northwest or any border state.

It's extremely odd behaviour, even for things like great big idiotic governments which kind of lose the plot the further away from the coal face they are and really, what is the point when?

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U.S. Customs and Border Protection announced last week it will stop drivers at a series of random checkpoints on the Olympic Peninsula in the coming months.

"Gee, if I'm going to blow up America, maybe there might be a bad place to start. So, we'll come in somewhere else anyhow."

Reality is, pants are down for another ass kicking the same way it was pre 9-11, if they want to get in, they'll get in. It's the preventative intelligence that catches them, not internal security actions which are more or less a foregone conclusion, they ship a bunch of Mexicans into the country by the truckload, shipping some lunatic extremist in by themselves can't be that hard.
They aren't stupid, they're well connected and they will get in or be a part of some internal plot, but hey, electing someone with the brain of a rich, spoilt coke head a couple of times in a row will get you this kind of thing (course the last election was somewhat debatable I must admit! ) if you let it happen.

What's wrong with just saying, "we're off to catch us some Mexicans and the odd alcoholic Canadian student on summer vacation" and be done with it?
Rather than the old "Oh we're hunting terrorists" and then having everyone running around paranoid, stressed and otherwise with one more worry on their heads in day to day life. I mean I'm sure your spanish speaking cousins that slip over the boarder, make a few $ and get busted can take the joke, they don't really think you're being politically incorrect by deliberately going after them!

100 miles within any border eh? Why don't they block off a street in an affluent part of San Diego and question blue bloods?

I would have to think for that kind of behavior something big must have gone down in that sleepy little town...

Strange indeed...

... and you guys are all so surprised? This is not the first, nor the second and not the third time I read about this. They did this even in the Clinton years. American democracy slip-sliding away.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium ... and you guys are all so surprised? This is not the first, nor the second and not the third time I read about this. They did this even in the Clinton years. American democracy slip-sliding away.

So I guess it was a lot stronger during McCarthyism? Why do you pretend to know anything? If you want a liberal nation, look to The Netherlands. America is what it is, always has been. Republicans come into power on fear campaigning, ruin economy, Democrats come in, rebuild country while skimming on military, Republicans win back the country campaigning on military skimming, and so on. One half of the country will always balance the other out, and from the current surveys on todays youth, the Democrat base is growing.

this is new? in march 2005 i remember being stopped about 40 kms or so inside the state of New York by a checkpoint...

It reminded of how retarded syria is ...

there are checkpoints in every major city in the U.S.

...they're called airports.

Not the 1st or 2nd times............

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In NY./Region City Police Spied Broadly Before G.O.P. Convention By JIM DWYER Published: March 25, 2007 Correction Appended For at least a year before the 2004 Republican National Convention, teams of undercover New York City police officers traveled to cities across the country, Canada and Europe to conduct covert observations of people who planned to protest at the convention, according to police records and interviews. From Albuquerque to Montreal, San Francisco to Miami, undercover New York police officers attended meetings of political groups, posing as sympathizers or fellow activists, the records show. They made friends, shared meals, swapped e-mail messages and then filed daily reports with the department�s Intelligence Division. Other investigators mined Internet sites and chat rooms. From these operations, run by the department�s �R.N.C. Intelligence Squad,� the police identified a handful of groups and individuals who expressed interest in creating havoc during the convention, as well as some who used Web sites to urge or predict violence. But potential troublemakers were hardly the only ones to end up in the files. In hundreds of reports stamped �N.Y.P.D. Secret,� the Intelligence Division chronicled the views and plans of people who had no apparent intention of breaking the law, the records show. These included members of street theater companies, church groups and antiwar organizations, as well as environmentalists and people opposed to the death penalty, globalization and other government policies. Three New York City elected officials were cited in the reports. In at least some cases, intelligence on what appeared to be lawful activity was shared with police departments in other cities. A police report on an organization of artists called Bands Against Bush noted that the group was planning concerts on Oct. 11, 2003, in New York, Washington, Seattle, San Francisco and Boston. Between musical sets, the report said, there would be political speeches and videos. �Activists are showing a well-organized network made up of anti-Bush sentiment; the mixing of music and political rhetoric indicates sophisticated organizing skills with a specific agenda,� said the report, dated Oct. 9, 2003. �Police departments in above listed areas have been contacted regarding this event.� Police records indicate that in addition to sharing information with other police departments, New York undercover officers were active themselves in at least 15 places outside New York � including California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montreal, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas and Washington, D.C. � and in Europe. The operation was mounted in 2003 after the Police Department, invoking the fresh horrors of the World Trade Center attack and the prospect of future terrorism, won greater authority from a federal judge to investigate political organizations for criminal activity. To date, as the boundaries of the department�s expanded powers continue to be debated, police officials have provided only glimpses of its intelligence-gathering. Now, the broad outlines of the pre-convention operations are emerging from records in federal lawsuits that were brought over mass arrests made during the convention, and in greater detail from still-secret reports reviewed by The New York Times. These include a sample of raw intelligence documents and of summary digests of observations from both the field and the department�s cyberintelligence unit. Paul J. Browne, the chief spokesman for the Police Department, confirmed that the operation had been wide-ranging, and said it had been an essential part of the preparations for the huge crowds that came to the city during the convention. �Detectives collected information both in-state and out-of-state to learn in advance what was coming our way,� Mr. Browne said. When the detectives went out of town, he said, the department usually alerted the local authorities by telephone or in person. Under a United States Supreme Court ruling, undercover surveillance of political groups generally legal, but the police in New York � like those in many other big cities � have operated under special limits as a result of class-action lawsuits filed over police monitoring of civil rights and antiwar groups during the 1960s. The limits in New York are known as the Handschu guidelines, after the lead plaintiff, Barbara Handschu. �All our activities were legal and were subject in advance to Handschu review,� Mr. Browne said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/n...infiltrate.html
the article has three pages

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Originally posted by M.Johan Not the 1st or 2nd times............

when do you rekon the first time was? was it when JFK and his brother, Attorney General, RFK wiretapped Martin Luther King and other political activists in the 60's? or was it Abe Lincoln and the new Confederate Armies way back in the day?

either way it would prolly warrant it's own thread.

Just move to Canada and breathe easy.

I think its happening in the pacific northwest because of dark angel.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I think its happening in the pacific northwest because of dark angel.

I think you are a fucking retard, now go away?


Huh? How was that for totally random and stupid? Did I beat MGS's post? HUH HUH?

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Originally posted by Q5echo when do you rekon the first time was? was it when JFK and his brother, Attorney General, RFK wiretapped Martin Luther King and other political activists in the 60's? or was it Abe Lincoln and the new Confederate Armies way back in the day? either way it would prolly warrant it's own thread.

I mean wat's done "unacceptable" {In General not in specific evidences} by ur president through The National Security Agency who has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans.The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans � most of whom aren't suspected of any crime.

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Originally posted by M.Johan I mean wat's done "unacceptable" {In General not in specific evidences} by ur president through The National Security Agency who has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans.The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans � most of whom aren't suspected of any crime.

at least they don't jail bloggers

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Originally posted by Dopey at least they don't jail bloggers

Only one case was happened he spread iconoclast and antisemtic
writings
And still the only case
i know Dopey

Institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against Israeli Arabs continued. Non-Orthodox Jews and other religious groups continued to face discrimination in personal and civil status matters. Women suffered discrimination and, in some cases, violence. The educational systems for Arab and Jewish students remained unequal. Trafficking in and abuse of women and foreign workers remained a problem in some areas and industries although the government passed new antitrafficking legislation. De facto discrimination against persons with disabilities occurred. Government corruption and other criminal activity by political leaders was a problem.
The UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination said Israel's security measures to ward off suicide bombings and other attacks must be re-calibrated to avoid discrimination against Arab Israelis or Palestinians living in Israeli-occupied lands such as the West Bank.

The committee specified that Israel should ease roadblocks and other restrictions on Palestinians and put a stop to settler violence and hate speech.

Its 18 independent experts, who examined the records of 13 countries at a four-week meeting in Geneva, also said Israel should cease building a barrier in and around the West Bank and ensure its various checkpoints and road closures do not reinforce segregation.

In its conclusions, the committee also voiced concern at an unequal distribution of water resources, a disproportionate targeting of Palestinians in house demolitions and the "denial of the right of many Palestinians" to return to their land.

Differing applications of criminal law between Jews and Arabs had caused "harsher punishments for Palestinians for the same offence", said the committee, whose recommendations are not legally binding.

A high number of complaints by Arab Israelis against police officers are not properly investigated and many Arabs suffer discriminatory work practices and high unemployment, it said.

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Originally posted by M.Johan I mean wat's done "unacceptable" {In General not in specific evidences} by ur president through The National Security Agency who has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans.The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans � most of whom aren't suspected of any crime.

cool

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Originally posted by Q5echo cool

WTF cool
who are the first victims.......

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Originally posted by M.Johan WTF cool who are the first victims.......

there is an entire 12 page thread about this already. thats wtf.

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