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CDJ-1000 0.02 pitch control

I'm on 800s right now, but I have wet dreams about being able to mix progressive house on 1000s. My question is for DJs who take beatmatching seriously: Does the 0.02 pitch control make all the difference when it comes to mixing?

Thanks.

A little bit.

all it means is less correcting - nobody will ever match the beat "perfect" adjustments (no matter how minor) will always be needed

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Originally posted by Spoonz all it means is less correcting - nobody will ever match the beat "perfect" adjustments (no matter how minor) will always be needed

EXACTLY! There! And now boys, lets put this PITCH RESOLUTION war to rest, before it even starts.

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Originally posted by Spoonz all it means is less correcting - nobody will ever match the beat "perfect" adjustments (no matter how minor) will always be needed

Right now with my 800s, I'm pitch-bending every 5-10 seconds during a transition, to keep the tracks in line. How much more time will 0.02 pitch control buy me?

If you're pitch bending every 5-10 seconds then the tracks aren't locked to begin with. I don't know how often you should be bending, but I would guess about once every 30 seconds or so with .05 resolution.

I have 1000s, and when I really nail the pitch (taking about 45 seconds or so to beatmatch), then I don't have to make any corrections for about 1 minute or so. Of course, I've been able to mix tracks perfectly for over 3 minutes with no pitch correction, but thats fairly rare.

In short, its worth the upgrade.

2.5 times that

but again no way you should be adjusting it that much

Interesting...I wonder if something about my 800s or CDs are off, as even when I hit a pitch range for the incoming track that's as closely matched as possible, I find that it either lags behind or pushes ahead. For example, +2.25% lags behind slowly but surely, and +2.30% pushes ahead...

I'm burning 320kbps tracks to CD at 4x in Nero 6.

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Originally posted by cassa.de.x Interesting...I wonder if something about my 800s or CDs are off, as even when I hit a pitch range for the incoming track that's as closely matched as possible, I find that it either lags behind or pushes ahead. For example, +2.25% lags behind slowly but surely, and +2.30% pushes ahead... I'm burning 320kbps tracks to CD at 4x in Nero 6.

if you're using tracks that you have not bought but are downloading illegally than this is very typical as illegal tracks always have tempo issues. the reality is regardless of pitch resolution you should be able to hold mixes in excess if 1 minute if you can beatmatch properly. using the cdj200's i've been using the 10% (.01) resolution mode as part of an ongoing test for the past month to see if there would be any problems upgrading to CDJ800's. in fact, even at 10% i have no problems holding minute long mixes without adjusting.

just my 2 cts

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster if you're using tracks that you have not bought but are downloading illegally than this is very typical as illegal tracks always have tempo issues. the reality is regardless of pitch resolution you should be able to hold mixes in excess if 1 minute if you can beatmatch properly. using the cdj200's i've been using the 10% (.01) resolution mode as part of an ongoing test for the past month to see if there would be any problems upgrading to CDJ800's. in fact, even at 10% i have no problems holding minute long mixes without adjusting. just my 2 cts

I'm using Beatport 320kbps mp3s. (And I think you mean .1 increments, not .01.)

If you can keep near-perfect sync between 200s for over a minute, then I don't know what's going on with my DJ rig...

yea you should be able to get it closer with .05. I mainly use .02 and am usually spot on with mixes. itd say almost half need no correction. but a lil correction now and then never hurt anybody.

so .02 doesn't make all the difference. but it might help a lil.

I'm not very familiar w/ this stuff but... I beleive the increments change when you adjust the total range. For example +/- 16% pitch will adjust in increments of .1 and +/- 6% will adjust in increments of .02%. I'm sure you already thought of this, but if not, I believe there is a button to change your overall range.

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Originally posted by epdarks I'm not very familiar w/ this stuff but... I beleive the increments change when you adjust the total range. For example +/- 16% pitch will adjust in increments of .1 and +/- 6% will adjust in increments of .02%. I'm sure you already thought of this, but if not, I believe there is a button to change your overall range.

A CDJ-800 doesn't have a small +/-6% range (and consequently doesn't support 0.02% increments). Only a 1000 has +/-6%.

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Originally posted by cassa.de.x Right now with my 800s, I'm pitch-bending every 5-10 seconds during a transition, to keep the tracks in line. How much more time will 0.02 pitch control buy me?

i can mix with out touching my 800...

and trust me im NOT a really good mixer.

it usually takes 30s or so for the tracks to drift on my cdj-100s'. but some tracks do drift faster though and some don't. but even with 0.1% pitch resolution i don't have to adjust every 5 to 10s.

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Originally posted by cassa.de.x A CDJ-800 doesn't have a small +/-6% range (and consequently doesn't support 0.02% increments). Only a 1000 has +/-6%.

The CDJ 200 has +/-6% too.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 The CDJ 200 has +/-6% too.

You're right.

Personally, I use 10% pitch on my 1000's and can hold the beat for ages, and if it is a track which drifts everyone now and then, I'll correct it slightly on every 8th or 16th bar.

Here's the maths... I can't be arsed to go through all the numbers again, but I have worked it out before and worst-case scenario, as accuarately as possible matched tracks will take about 10 seconds to 'noticeably' (worked out by layering & staggering kick sounds to work out at what point they no longer sound like a single kick) go out of time using 0.1% increments, 20 seconds using 0.05% increments and 50 seconds using .05% increments.

The average times it'll take to go out of time are double the above (so 20 seconds with 0.1% increments, etc)

So yes, if you're having to adjust more often than about every 20 seconds on a CDJ800 then you probably either don't have it down as accurately as you could (easiest way to tell this is if you always find yourself adjusting it in the same direction - i.e. if you're always slowing it down and you have to adjust it that often then the track's probably an increment or two too fast), or your ears are ultra sensitive to changes, or (more likely) your ears THINK they're ultra sensitive and you keep thinking it's going slightly out when as far as everyone else is concerned it's absolutely spot on - I think I'm probably guilty of this last one from time to time!

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Originally posted by Stu Cox your ears THINK they're ultra sensitive and you keep thinking it's going slightly out when as far as everyone else is concerned it's absolutely spot on - I think I'm probably guilty of this last one from time to time!

This is my main problem, I think that it is going out of time and then end up knocking it completely out of time when I try to 'correct' it.

There's been a few times when I've dj'd with someone and they've said "what you doing, that was bang on".

This usually happens after being on the decks for a while and I think it may be caused by ear fatigue.

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Originally posted by cassa.de.x I'm using Beatport 320kbps mp3s. (And I think you mean .1 increments, not .01.) If you can keep near-perfect sync between 200s for over a minute, then I don't know what's going on with my DJ rig...

you're right actually i mean .05 for 10% you get the point though.

You ever listen to one of your recorded mixes, and you are thinking "damn the beats are flanging a bit there, I could've done that better".




...And then you realize that it's part of the track and you weren't even mixing...

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Originally posted by agentdansmith This is my main problem, I think that it is going out of time and then end up knocking it completely out of time when I try to 'correct' it. There's been a few times when I've dj'd with someone and they've said "what you doing, that was bang on". This usually happens after being on the decks for a while and I think it may be caused by ear fatigue.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 You ever listen to one of your recorded mixes, and you are thinking "damn the beats are flanging a bit there, I could've done that better". ...And then you realize that it's part of the track and you weren't even mixing...

Anyone else ever feel that we DJs really aren't the brightest of characters?

Or maybe we are just too damn bright and wind up being perfectionists?

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Anyone else ever feel that we DJs really aren't the brightest of characters?

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Or maybe we are just too damn bright and wind up being perfectionists?

Sounds good, I'll go with that.

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