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kick / bass overlap

I'm wondering what people think about the kick / bass overlap in the eq spectrum? I try to reduce anything below 90 hZ as much as possible for the bass. Sometimes I feel that this makes the bass less "bassy".

what do others think?
cheers.

you need as much of the lows as you can get in your kick and bass. usually i would cut deep frequencies on my kick and leave the bass intact. personally for trance you should just use a sidechain compressor to prevent the frequencies colliding. then you dont have to cut the lows on either.

you need as much of the lows as you can get in your kick and bass. usually i would cut deep frequencies on my kick and leave the bass intact. personally for trance you should just use a sidechain compressor to prevent the frequencies colliding. then you dont have to cut the lows on either.

Re: kick / bass overlap

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Originally posted by trancey_spacer I'm wondering what people think about the kick / bass overlap in the eq spectrum? I try to reduce anything below 90 hZ as much as possible for the bass. Sometimes I feel that this makes the bass less "bassy". what do others think? cheers.

90hz is too high, you should look more at rolling off under 40hz generally. Although it will always depend on the sound you want and what music you are making.

As richg101 said alot of ppl use a sidechain to reduce the volume of the bass when the kick hits. It is just a form of gain reduction.
Although I disagree about cutting the kick, the kick IS the most important (in dance music) and IMHO should take priority over all other instruments in it's clarity.

what sort of set up on my compressor do i need for this when i sidechain and which channel do i put the compressor on???

if you're using fl, you can use the peak controller to automate an EQ/filter that cuts out the sub bass when the kick hits

this is how I separate kick and bass EQ wise, I dont know if this applies for all styles of EDM, but it works for my Psytunes:

kick: boost a narrow band at 80Hz, lower at 60Hz, cut everything below 40Hz, cut a small band at 145Hz, boost some hi frequencies (2-5kHz) to give it more presence.

bass: boost at 40-60Hz, cut everything below 25Hz, cut a narrow band at 80 Hz (where the kick is), boost a small band at 100-130Hz (depends on the bassline's key), boost somewhere a small band around 300Hz (again it depends on the basslines key).

As you see, the trick is too boost small bands on one of them and take out the same frequency vice versa on the other one.

When the EQ is right, you can compress and limit them both together.

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Originally posted by Mark Iliffe what sort of set up on my compressor do i need for this when i sidechain and which channel do i put the compressor on???

You put the compressor on the channel you want to compress and feed in a 'key' signal which will be used to trigger the compressor. Or you can use the way echosystem said which might help your tune stand out more.

You will then need a compressor with a sidechain Like Waves C1 SC, OtiumFX Compadre, Twisted Lemons free sidekick and the stupidly named Slim Slow Slider Side Chain Compressor and I'm sure other ppl might know some others.

voxengo crunchessor, sexiest sidechain evar.

Cheers flutlicht, i want my kick to come through when it hits, so i put compressor on kick and link it to bassline, what sort of set up do i want on the compressor? eg. attack, threshold etc.. i dont understand compressor that much?? i got logic 7.2 so will be using normal compressor on that. cheers.

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Originally posted by echosystm if you're using fl, you can use the peak controller to automate an EQ/filter that cuts out the sub bass when the kick hits

the peak controller is on the trigger track isn't it?

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Originally posted by Mark Iliffe Cheers flutlicht, i want my kick to come through when it hits, so i put compressor on kick and link it to bassline, what sort of set up do i want on the compressor? eg. attack, threshold etc.. i dont understand compressor that much?? i got logic 7.2 so will be using normal compressor on that. cheers.

Have a look in the stickies on the top as I'm sure that there must be links to site with good information about compression.

Compression is a form on gain (volume) control, but instead of just moving the volume up and down it alters the sound and changes the difference between the loudest and quietest part of a sound. By making the difference less you raise up the volume of the quiet parts while controlling the volume of the loudest parts, this makes the average volume louder.

You are talking about controlling the volume of the bass against the kick so you put the sidechain compressor on the bass channel. You would then send a trigger or key signal (the sidechain which in this case is the kick) to the compressor. So instead of the bass making the compressor work, the kick does; this makes the kick control the volume of the bass.

Attack = How quickly the compressor will start to work
Threshold = The 'volume' that the compressor will start to work
Ratio = The amount of compression applied to limit the sound that goes into the threshold
Release = How quickly the compressor will stop compressing when sound no longer is in the threshold. E.g. quick times can create a pumping sound when it start / stop compressing quickly. Thing that Daft Punk tune 'so much love to give' if you listen you will hear it moving.

How you actually route the trigger to the sidechain depends on your sequencer and unfortunately I don't use Logic so can't help you with
this part.

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Originally posted by echosystm if you're using fl, you can use the peak controller to automate an EQ/filter that cuts out the sub bass when the kick hits

Yes, this is a great trick in FLStudio

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Originally posted by trancey_spacer the peak controller is on the trigger track isn't it?

On the kick, yes. Disable mute and use "inverted" link.

Cheers flutlicht - this helps alot, i will have a play about. THanks.

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