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What does the world do if diplomacy fails with Iran?

What does the international community do in the event diplomacy fails with the Iranian regime?

1. Take military action now.
2. Take military action after diplomacy fails.
3. Appease Iran with the acceptance of their nuclear program.
4. Join Iran against Israel and retreat all coalition forces from Iraq.

Hey I got some bad news for you,diplomacy is not failing and things are heading toward the right direction so you can forget about invading another country for now untill Bush comes up with another excuse for invasion.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Hey I got some bad news for you,diplomacy is not failing and things are heading toward the right direction so you can forget about invading another country for now untill Bush comes up with another excuse for invasion.

Sorry, but that wasn't the question. The question to be answered was, " What does the international community do in the event(KEY WORD) diplomacy fails with the Iranian regime?"

i believe what will happen will be a variation on #3.

putting aside the fact there will be no other Western leader strong enough to use military action against Iran prior to Irans full Nuke armament once Bush is gone outside Israel, eventually Iran will have to put their experiment to the test, just like the Norks did this January. when that happens the world will readjust it's position based on the outcome and we will go from there.

ultimately, there will be a hybrid form of Greater Middle East M.A.D. doctrine with the US/UN and possibly Israeli missle defence shielding.

the trick is having an effective non-proliferation doctrine in place for the rest of the Middle East. again, the US will take the lead on that like we always do, but by God we will need help.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Hey I got some bad news for you,diplomacy is not failing and things are heading toward the right direction so you can forget about invading another country for now untill Bush comes up with another excuse for invasion.

and now you understand why no one takes your opinions seriously. Blame Bush,,,,, WTF are you and the rest of the TA Extremist wanna be's going to say when Bush is Gone??

but any way....


all avenues of diplomacy should be used. Have the world media report on every thing the West tried to do for Iran. Iran leaders are idiots, more than Bush.

But diplomacy should be used first, then strike them hard and make them regret ever thinking that some piss ant country led by Muslim Extremist can take on the WEST.

I was gonna say to call the A-Team and let Hannibal et al sort out those pesky Iranians.

(sorry, I'm just happy that A-Team is still on tv here in Amsterdam lol)

Seriously though, I would like to see them push diplomacy to it's limits, though those limits are hard to define.

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Originally posted by pmoisse I was gonna say to call the A-Team and let Hannibal et al sort out those pesky Iranians. (sorry, I'm just happy that A-Team is still on tv here in Amsterdam lol) Seriously though, I would like to see them push diplomacy to it's limits, though those limits are hard to define.

The A-Team rocked!!!! but no one died.....

^^ Exactly! You can always tell which Jeep is going to fly & roll over since it's the one with the bigger roll bar. The ones without the rollbars just cough to a halt.

It's awesome.

It's on every evening at 6pm. I feel like a kid again!!

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Originally posted by LazFX and now you understand why no one takes your opinions seriously. Blame Bush,,,,, WTF are you and the rest of the TA Extremist wanna be's going to say when Bush is Gone??

lol and who the fuck do you think takes you seriously here?maybe a bunch of neocon clowns but thats about it.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer lol and who the fuck do you think takes you seriously here?maybe a bunch of neocon clowns but thats about it.

Unlike your welfare collecting ass, I care not nor do I need agreement with my opinions. But I can tell you that more than clowns agree with me when I say, You are Clown Shoes softcore, and you never did answer my question I posted to you about :

Would you rather live in a country like Iran than where you live now.
Its a simple answer- IRAN or CANADA

you never answered me on that. Cause you know damn well you love living in the West and the freedom you have. The only reason why you want to post on how evil the West and the US is you think it is cool. Its like wearing a virtual Che Shirt, its the in thing to do even though you accept that fact the Che murdered people left and right.
Like Shaolin and the rest of you Westerners that love to praise Iran and other Islamic Regimes. You are Mentally Retards, I can understand Shaolin cause he is Muslim and his faith is something to admire in this day and age, but you?? You are an Atheist, but yet you approve of Muslims killing and causing trouble in the west.
You do know that this same Iranian Government you love to support would have you jailed ...... Does your Moms and Dad know you post here?? I bet they would be sickened that their son, who was the reason why they left Iran in the first place, disrespects the land and people they choose to come to to give you a better life......
If you were my kid I would disown you!

You seriously need a timeout and rethink your view points, take a slice of your government cheese and rethink.

I completely back up LazFX on everything said here.
Of course hardcore trancer is just going to continue to see anyone who disagrees with him as a neocon, and he will continue to blame Bush for all the problems of the world.

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Originally posted by LazFX Unlike your welfare collecting ass, I care not nor do I need agreement with my opinions. But I can tell you that more than clowns agree with me when I say, You are Clown Shoes softcore, and you never did answer my question I posted to you about :

Thats alot of big talk coming from guy with no educations and cleaned bathrooms aargh all his life in the army.

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Would you rather live in a country like Iran than where you live now. Its a simple answer- IRAN or CANADA

Iam fine where Iam right now,Canada is great ya know??I can say what I want and bash idiots like you all day.
I have been here all my life almost idiot.Question for you tho. MEXICO?OR TEXAS? lol

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you never answered me on that. Cause you know damn well you love living in the West and the freedom you have. The only reason why you want to post on how evil the West and the US is you think it is cool.

No no I fuckin hate your government but that doesnt mean I hate the west,I know for dumbass American is hard to understand this tho.

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I can understand Shaolin cause he is Muslim and his faith is something to admire in this day and age, but you?? You are an Atheist, but yet you approve of Muslims killing and causing trouble in the west.

These muslims arent killing they are fighting back the American terrorists,can you get that through your empty skull?

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You do know that this same Iranian Government you love to support would have you jailed ...... Does your Moms and Dad know you post here??

yup and they are very proud of me and there are many of us here in Canada that hates your disgusting filthy government with passion.

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Originally posted by CHRles I completely back up LazFX on everything said here. Of course hardcore trancer is just going to continue to see anyone who disagrees with him as a neocon, and he will continue to blame Bush for all the problems of the world.

But ofcouse you agree with him,you are typical neocon sheep who blindly believes anything.I dont blame Bush for most of todays world problem because he IS the cause,maybe if you take your head out of your ass you'll realize that to.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer But ofcouse you agree with him,you are typical neocon sheep who blindly believes anything.I dont blame Bush for most of todays world problem because he IS the cause,maybe if you take your head out of your ass you'll realize that to.

Yes, because cultural unrest in the Middle East NEVER EXISTED BEFORE BUSH...

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer yup and they are very proud of me and there are many of us here in Canada that hates your disgusting filthy government with passion.

Oh really???? Wow that makes me feel so threatned, that you have a passion for something other than bieng a complete idiot....

so tell me......how much passion do you and your counterparts hate the US. Really speak your mind... please I am all "Ears"!

Give me examples of what and your people would do if given the chance....

I'll refrain from answering because your answers are setup in a for or against format. There is no flexibility. Not everyone is for war or completely against war.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Yes, because cultural unrest in the Middle East NEVER EXISTED BEFORE BUSH...

True, some unrest did exist, bush just managed to exacerbate it. Without the US meddling around it would have ran it's natural course and it would have arrived at what the people in the region wanted. The best thing of having it occur naturally is that people fight for it, they learn from it and the results are long lasting. Whatever the US manages to achieve in that area it'll be imposed on the people and it won't mirror they're desired and thus will be short lived unless the US stays in the area until there is no opposition and the 'westernization' is completed.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Yes, because cultural unrest in the Middle East NEVER EXISTED BEFORE BUSH...

Simply fackes
there's no culture unrest in MEast

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Originally posted by venomX I'll refrain from answering because your answers are setup in a for or against format. There is no flexibility. Not everyone is for war or completely against war.

What kind of flexibility are you looking for? Support domestic opposition groups?

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Originally posted by Krypton What kind of flexibility are you looking for? Support domestic opposition groups?

First, your question presupposes that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon, which has not been proven. We do know that they are developing technology that might let them develop a nuclear weapon down the road. We also know that Iran is anti-US, but then again plenty of people around the world are anti-US. We do know that Ahmedinejad is full of verbose anti-israeli rhetoric, but also that he holds little power in Iran and that Iran is not as unified as it appears. So to start us off, we can say that your asking something based on false premises.

Second, you do not account for or explain what a 'failure in diplomacy' means. Does it mean a failure on Iran's part to comply with the US' 'commands'? Or does it involve Iran developing a nuclear weapon? Maybe you should clear that up for us. Then we can decide if we would be for an attack on Iran, or not.

Lastly, you're question is based on another false premise, that Iran, if armed with a nuclear weapon would be hostile. Now, we already know that Ahmedinejad is chock full of empty rhetoric, we also know that Iran hasn't in recent history gambled with attacking anyone directly. So we can safely assume that a nuke would be use as a defensive measure. In all of history we also know that US is the only country that has ever used a nuke. We also know that israel is the only country that in recent history has used direct violence towards another country (i.e. by actually using their army). We also know that Israel has nukes and has no quips with using them. Now, I think one could conclude that even if Iran was developing a nuclear weapon, it would be almost impossible for diplomacy to fail since they have no attacking use for it and if they're safety is guaranteed in the international domain they would have no need of developing it. Again, if you clarify what you mean by failure of democracy maybe we could give you a more accurate matter.

This post brings up an interesting human dynamic.

If 50% of the population wants to go to war, and the rest are scattered amidst less unified solutions (though nonetheless NON-war solutions), does the 50% in favor of war win due purely to unficiation?

Thus there is a human dynamic here that needs addressed and solved: ratio errors.

I find it interesting reading replies between the 'neocons' and the other guys, liberals suppose you call them. Both claim the other is not respected in this forum, then go on to insult one another, refuting any respect anyone held for them. It's all a bit childish.


In terms of Iran, I don't think it will ever come to military action, the hardliners do not have enough support or influence in Iran atm (I know the president is a hardliner, but he exists on quite a delicate balance, the religious leaders hold the real power). A for the west, I don't think there is enough support for war here either, but I suppose the US is used to not listening to anyone.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer But ofcouse you agree with him,you are typical neocon sheep who blindly believes anything.I dont blame Bush for most of todays world problem because he IS the cause,maybe if you take your head out of your ass you'll realize that to.

Sorry, but I'm not a neocon.
You on the other hand are a typical terrorist lover, and you've got that ridiculous pro-nuclear alliance crap in your sig
You'll pretty ,uch twist anything Iran does to make it look positive. Keep trying to spin the truth, you're not fooling anyone.

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