What does the world do if diplomacy succeeds in Iran?

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Posted by MisterOpus1 on Apr-04-2007 03:16:

What does the world do if diplomacy succeeds in Iran?

Of course this would have to occur when we get our little bratty 10 year old cowboy out of office, but perhaps we could think about maybe trying diplomacy first, just like almost all of our past presidents have done, before we begin to believe it will fail?

Just a thought. Perhaps a very alien concept for this Administration, and I doubt they'll ever understand the idea of diplomacy before blowing the shit outa everything, so hopefully the next President will have a bit of a clue.

Posted by ResonantDrag on Apr-04-2007 03:38:

this has to be a new record for a retaliatory poll

Posted by Lilith on Apr-04-2007 03:40:

Re: What does the world do if diplomacy succeeds in Iran?

A: All the above!

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Just a thought. Perhaps a very alien concept for this Administration, and I doubt they'll ever understand the idea of diplomacy before blowing the shit outa everything, so hopefully the next President will have a bit of a clue.

Aww come on, it's all a bit unfair to say that, they're just going on a long and sordid american history of not negotiating with terrorists, hardline stance which has made the country great today. They just solved the whole problem of not bothering to messily and time consuming negotiation by branding anyone who wasn't a part of a democrazy (I decided to leave that typo ) as being a terrorist or renegade state!

A mark of brilliance really!

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Posted by Q5echo on Apr-04-2007 04:10:

Posted by jonSun on Apr-04-2007 04:10:

All of the above.

Posted by Krypton on Apr-04-2007 04:15:

Here's the general question:

What if diplomacy does not work, what does the international community do?

The answers I get are, "LET DIPLOMACY WORK." That's not the freaking question. WHAT IF DIPLOMACY DOESN'T WORK? It didn't work with Hitler. I'm asking IN THE EVENT that no peaceful solution can fix the situation with Iran, what's the next rational, logical thing to do? Military action, appeasement, no action at all?

Posted by Q5echo on Apr-04-2007 04:26:

Posted by Zild on Apr-04-2007 04:31:

LOL @ Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Posted by MisterOpus1 on Apr-04-2007 17:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
Here's the general question:

What if diplomacy does not work, what does the international community do?

The answers I get are, "LET DIPLOMACY WORK." That's not the freaking question. WHAT IF DIPLOMACY DOESN'T WORK? It didn't work with Hitler.

This douchebag doesn't hold a candle to the atrocities or capabilities of Hitler. As I was telling my dear friend Chris in another thread:

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What a ridiculous and horribly oversimplistic rationale to support your defense of invading yet another sovereign country. WWII did not occur AS A CONSEQUENCE of U.S. isolationism, sir, as you would seem to be implying. It was prolonged as a result, but most certainly wasn't the consequence of it.

Furthermore, it's cute how little time it took a Bush supporter like yourself to draw upon the Hitler parallel to help bolster your stance in yet another invasion of yet another country. There is nothing remotely similar between Iran's leader whom has dwindling support of his own country and Hitler whom invaded countries at will. The exception, of course, is similar sentiments against Jews, however Hitler did have a bit of a teensy more "aggressive" approach that went with his sentiments (i.e. genocide). Ahmadinejad doesn't have the means nor the support of any sort to put forth any real threatening action against Israel. You know damn well that if he even attempted any truly threatening action the entire world would come down on him without hesitation.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...786#post7543786

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I'm asking IN THE EVENT that no peaceful solution can fix the situation with Iran, what's the next rational, logical thing to do? Military action, appeasement, no action at all?

I'm sorry, I will defer to your answer to another poster in your own polling thread (with a slight twist):

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Sorry, but that wasn't the question. The question to be answered was, " What does the international community do in the event(KEY WORD) diplomacy succeeds with the Iranian regime?"

All other questions and replies should be referred to that poll. Thanks a gob.

Posted by MisterOpus1 on Apr-04-2007 18:00:

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Originally posted by Q5echo
i applaud your courage here Krypton, but you're asking the wrong people.

Yes, reality (i.e. the exact opposite of neocon global hegemony and world policing) has that effect on us "wrong people".

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as evidence so far in this thread the recurring theme is Bush Derangement Syndrome. real world answers to real world problems aren't endemic to this atmosphere, just hatred.

A thousand pardons, sir. You really must excuse my slight displeasure once again for how our president is fucking up our country.

It used to be laughable when you used that phrase "real world answers to real world problems" whenever you express your neoconservative views in line with this Administration's overreach. Now it's just sad. I think I'll actually feel sorry for you when the neocons go extinct, or at least back underground. Perhaps not other neocons, but for you I still have a bit of compassion to feel that way.

Posted by Lilith on Apr-04-2007 20:53:

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Originally posted by Q5echo
real world answers to real world problems aren't endemic to this atmosphere, just hatred.

If it comes down to a war of ideology, then neither side is really better than the other as it's completely subjective... never been one to wander off into flights of fancy and philosophy, worlds filled with unemployed and impoverished idealists along with a healthy dose of the deranged and misguided who follow that line.

Stick to the real world at it's worst it's just how things are

Posted by ResonantDrag on Apr-05-2007 12:45:

sorry, i don't know if this has been posted, but here's a real world solution to a real world problem.

Posted by Q5echo on Apr-05-2007 18:54:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Yes, reality (i.e. the exact opposite of neocon global hegemony and world policing) has that effect on us "wrong people".

A thousand pardons, sir. You really must excuse my slight displeasure once again for how our president is fucking up our country.

It used to be laughable when you used that phrase "real world answers to real world problems" whenever you express your neoconservative views in line with this Administration's overreach. Now it's just sad. I think I'll actually feel sorry for you when the neocons go extinct, or at least back underground. Perhaps not other neocons, but for you I still have a bit of compassion to feel that way.

so we have your answer? no.
it's about Iran, stupid. not what you think neoconservatism is.

Posted by MisterOpus1 on Apr-05-2007 22:27:

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Originally posted by Q5echo
so we have your answer? no.

Answer to what? You weren't asking a question, were you? I was giving my opinion to your statements about "Bush Derangement Syndrome".

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it's about Iran, stupid. not what you think neoconservatism is.

Neoconservatism is directly related to Iran. This problem is not a one-sided issue with whether Iran is willing to do or not do something. Viewing it in such a manner is oversimplistic, erroneous, and will not assist in gaining a peaceful solution to the region (whether that ultimately is military attack or via diplomacy). The neoconservative policy which is driving this Administration's decisions and policies is directly linked to how we will be dealing with Iran as well as other hostile countries in the Middle East (and elsewhere - Venenzuela for ex. We cannot discuss how Iran will or will not behave without discussing how this neoconservative-driven Administration will or will not behave. Surely you know that.