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Is life predetermined?
So I'm sitting here chatting with my friends and we're trying to figure out if life has us all on our own paths and theres nothing you can do to change it? For example, everything you do is already predetermined by 'someone/something/some force' and even when you think you dodged it, you're still and always be on that magical path of determination.
Then we can get into the argument of altering ones path in life, but then again, if life is actually predertmined, then 'altering' is just a false sense of hope?
By the way im sober just incase you were wondering lol
Re: Is life predetermined?
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| Originally posted by PurpleHaze By the way im sober just incase you were wondering |
No.
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| Originally posted by oldschool420 No. |
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| Originally posted by PurpleHaze care to explain you're rationale? |
I say No, but I can't really explain why.
If ones path was already "written in the books" or whatever, I don't think we'd have the free-will that we do. We wouldn't really need it.
A train travelling on its traintracks doesn't really need to think about where to go next. There's only one path for it to go, no thinking required.
Just say you're poor, and in the books its written that later in life you're rich. That means that despite the decisions you make, you will be rich later on in life. Even if you spend all of the money you have, don't invest, don't win the lottery, don't have a carrer, etc.
I dunno. I havne't had much sleep and yea...
No way you were sober 
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I believe that everything is pretty much predetermined, and any 'choice' we make is just a result of the situation we're in and the experience we had at that point. if you ever say you would have gone back and done something differently, it's only because you're pissed you ended up failing at making the choice that would have resulted in the most pleasure and least pain - which was what you attempted to do with what was available at the time.
but if you wanna get nuts i can talk to you about how time travel would mean an infinite number of dimensions (IF it is ever possible), chaos and that kind of stuff, but get me a blunt first 
my friend and i made a diagram in our heads of how we think universes would be connected and shit.. i think we made up a 3d plane with a line on it that represents one's life and the color of the line at each point represents time :S it was an insane sesh, one i wish i had recorded haha.. it was probably all BS but fun to think about
edit after reading some of the other posts:
yeah the problem with believing the first part of what i said is that it makes us feel like there's no point in doing anything.. the point isn't that everyone has their destiny or whatever and we will ultimately have some label as 'successful' or something that is predetermined... it's much more simple than that.. it's just that the events of one day determines what will happen the next day, replace day with second, and then instants, you get what i mean? :S
life is full of mysteries, this is a thread of opinion obviously
theres good points for predetermination and for free will, its all a matter of what you personnaly believe
me? i believe that life is "somewhat" predetermined and oneself has the opportunity to alter many events
i could go deeper into discussion but its after 12am, brain aint functioning!
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| Originally posted by PurpleHaze life is full of mysteries, this is a thread of opinion obviously theres good points for predetermination and for free will, its all a matter of what you personnaly believe me? i believe that life is "somewhat" predetermined and oneself has the opportunity to alter many events i could go deeper into discussion but its after 12am, brain aint functioning! |
On the first day God created the dog. God said, "Sit all day by the door of your house and bark at anyone who comes in or walks past. I will give you a life span of twenty years." The dog said, "That's too long to be barking. Give me ten years and I'll give you back the other ten."
So God agreed.
On the second day God created the monkey. God said, "Entertain people, do monkey tricks and make them laugh. I'll give you a twenty-year life span." The monkey said, "Monkey tricks for twenty years? I don't think so. Dog gave you back ten, so that's what I'll do too, okay?"
And God agreed.
On the third day God created the cow. "You must go to the field with the farmer all day long and suffer under the sun, have calves, and give milk to support the farmer. I will give you a life span of sixty years."
The cow said, "That's kind of a tough life you want me to live for sixty years. Let me have twenty and I'll give back the other forty."
And God agreed again.
On the fourth day God created man. God said, "Eat, sleep, play, marry and enjoy your life. I'll give you twenty years."
Man said, "What? Only twenty years? Tell you what, I'll take my twenty, and the forty the cow gave back, and the ten the monkey gave back, and the ten the dog gave back, that makes eighty, okay?"
Okay," said God, "You've got a deal."
So that is why the first twenty years we eat, sleep, play, and enjoy ourselves; the next forty years we slave in the sun to support our family; the next ten years we do monkey tricks to entertain the grandchildren; and the last ten years we sit on the front porch and bark at everyone.
Life has now been explained to you.
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| Originally posted by DaRoZa but if you wanna get nuts i can talk to you about how time travel would mean an infinite number of dimensions (IF it is ever possible), chaos and that kind of stuff, but get me a blunt first my friend and i made a diagram in our heads of how we think universes would be connected and shit.. i think we made up a 3d plane with a line on it that represents one's life and the color of the line at each point represents time :S it was an insane sesh, one i wish i had recorded haha |
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| Originally posted by _EuG_ So who exactly predertermines our lives for us??? and what is the reason behind each choice? and are other animals (speices) also living a predertermained life or is it just us?? |
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| Originally posted by PurpleHaze good point, i have no clue and im sure no one does 'if' thats what you believe i wrote above that i believe life is only semi-predetermined with many 'side' paths available to jump on |
Only thing that isn't your choice is who your family is, where you're born. The rest of life is choices.
Maybe not when your born, but the point where you can make your first decision and remember it later on in life. That's what you control.
(ie. you don't remember shit from when you were two years old, can't say you controlled much of your life at that point)
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| Originally posted by _EuG_ We are just humans that live on this planet, which is also inhibited by thousands of other species and I am sure other planets have billions of other species as well. So what makes you think that we are important enough to have our lives pre-determined for us by "someone". |
Hahah, this thread is going to be full of arguing without any possibility of proof from either side.
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| Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Hahah, this thread is going to be full of arguing without any possibility of proof from either side. |
God gave every person the same, and only one, gift. Free Will!
The only thing that is ever pre-determined is death.
I believe they are concepts that a human mind can't understand/explain. Life can be predetermind or not But one thing for sure we don have the ability to prove.
Our logics can be false or true but since there's no proof to it everything is possible.
Bottomline I think the best way to deal with this kind of questions is to never consider them. Cause every point that you bring up can lead to a dead end.
God doesn�t exist; religion is just a fairy tail that is told to keep people in order.
Let the flaming and arguing begin!!!!
According to Islam :-
Islam emphasizes on the issue of responsibility and accountability of human beings--each person is responsible for his or her own actions. Although Islam teaches that God has predetermined the span of our life and the time of our death, it does not mean that even our actions are predetermined by Him.
We surely are free in our actions and are, therefore, accountable for them. God only provides guidance for us to know what is good and what is bad. He says, "We created man of a water-drop...Surely We guided him to the right way--now whether he (follows it and) be grateful or (goes astray and) be ungrateful is up to him." (Qur'an: chp. 76, verse 3).
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| Originally posted by _EuG_ God doesn�t exist; religion is just a fairy tail that is told to keep people in order. Let the flaming and arguing begin!!!! |
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| Originally posted by extacy_bomb I believe they are concepts that a human mind can't understand/explain. Life can be predetermind or not But one thing for sure we don have the ability to prove. Our logics can be false or true but since there's no proof to it everything is possible. Bottomline I think the best way to deal with this kind of questions is to never consider them. Cause every point that you bring up can lead to a dead end. |
Karma baby......the energy and positive vibes you put out into the world, the more you will get them in return. Put out negative vibes, you'll get negative results. Thats how it works, not god. 
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