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It is not OK to suggest that some muslims might be terrorists.

It is not OK to suggest that some muslims might be terrorists. It IS ok to claim that christians might be terrorists. Just thought you'd like to know that.....

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Whitewashing Jihad in the Schools Wed Apr 4, 3:00 AM ET Three years ago, I wrote about a mock terrorism drill at a public school district in Muskegon County, Mich. Instead of Islamic terrorists, educators substituted Christian homeschoolers. Yes, Christian homeschoolers. Here was the description of the school drill plan: ADVERTISEMENT "The exercise will simulate an attack by a fictitious radical group called Wackos Against Schools and Education who believe everyone should be homeschooled. Under the scenario, a bomb is placed on the bus and is detonated while the bus is traveling on Durham, causing the bus to land on its side and fill with smoke." Flabbergasting, but true. In the wake of 9/11 and the jihadists' carnage against schoolchildren in Beslan, Russia, the school chose to prepare their students for an attack by Christian homeschooling "wackos," not Muslim suicide bombers. Unfortunately, little has changed. Last month, New Jersey's Burlington Township High School held its own mock terrorism drill. "You perform as you practice," Superintendent Chris Manno told the Burlington County Times. "We need to practice under conditions as real as possible in order to evaluate our procedures and plans so that they're as effective as possible." But the "real as possible" conditions included no bomb-vest-donning jihadists shouting "Allahu Akbar." No red bandana-wearing martyrs with visions of 72 virgins dancing in their evil heads. No America-hating plotters enraged by the existence of Israel or driven to establish a worldwide caliphate. Nope. According to the paper, two local police detectives took on the role of hostage-taking Christian gunmen. "Investigators described them as members of a right-wing fundamentalist group called the 'New Crusaders' who don't believe in separation of church and state. The mock gunmen went to the school seeking justice because the daughter of one had been expelled for praying before class." Upset Christian students reported on the drill to their parents. How many other jihad-whitewashing mock terrorism drills have been conducted using tax dollars? How long before we mimic the British schools, where the Holocaust is being dropped from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils? American educators have been bending to the will of the grievance-mongers ever since the 9/11 attacks. Remember the jihad-sympathizing admonition included in the NEA's touchy-feely, post-9/11 curriculum: "Do not suggest that any group is responsible" for the terrorist attacks, parents and teachers were advised. But feel free to conjure up homeschooling "wackos" and Christian "New Crusaders" to avoid offending the Muslim lobby. Here is a "real as possible" scenario. Last month, you'll recall, counterterrorism officials sent cautionary bulletins to police departments nationwide warning that suspected members of extremist groups have signed up as school bus drivers in the United States. The "extremists" being investigated by the FBI and other agencies are foreigners who have been able to "purchase buses and acquire licenses." Who are these "extremists"? Hint: They are not Presbyterian or Lutheran or Catholic homeschooling wackos. In Indonesia last month, a theological school was reportedly attacked by religious terrorists in Jakarta. The school was evangelical Christian. The terrorists were Muslim. In southern Thailand, attackers hurled explosives and opened fire on an Islamic school, killing three students. According to reports, police believe that Muslim insurgents staged the attack in an attempt to convince villagers that authorities were responsible � a ploy to win villagers over to the insurgents' cause. And in the name of winning Iraqis over to their blood-stained cause this week, a suicide truck bomber carrying food supplies killed eight Iraqi schoolgirls and a baby in the northern oil city of Kirkuk. The truck bomber was a crusader, all right. But not the kind American students are being taught to drill against in their make-believe bubbles. In our government institutions of perpetual ignorance maintenance, "D" is for dhimmitude. They are teaching our children all too well. Michelle Malkin is author of "Unhinged: Exposing Liberals Gone Wild." Her e-mail address is [email protected]. COPYRIGHT 2007 CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC

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so who is the bad guy here?? I mean we see post after post of some poor misunderstood Muslim getting harassed and or ta sered..... but what religion is under attack all the time?? and what really pisses me the fuck off is Atheists, Satanists, Jews, Wiccans, Hindu well fuck every religion for that matter has pretty much got along in the past 100 years or so, give or take based on what religion....the Christians do not burn, kill or attack people in the streets just because some focking moran drew a cartoon of Jesus fucking the pope in the rear ..... So why is everyone hating on them??


p.s. I really don't like Malkin's tripe, but she does have a point.

I agree with the article, but at the same time I think it's also fine to generalize "terrorists" to other groups of people, not just to Muslim extremist groups (Helloooooooo Southpark Season 11 Episode 4. Watch it on www.allabout-sp.net) However I am perfectly comfortable saying that some Muslims might be terrorists.

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Quote the article "How long before we mimic the British schools, where the Holocaust is being dropped from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils?"

Is this lady for real? They are dropping the holocaust because the Muslims have too much sand in their murka durkas?

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Is this lady for real? They are dropping the holocaust because the Muslims have too much sand in their murka durkas?

It was apparently in a 'report' funded by the UK department of education stating that some teachers where finding it hard to teach their students about things like crusades and holocausts because it was contentious issue.

Now, there's a lot of people reporting on it in newspapers and the like, but as for the actual full report, I've no idea where you might find it and like most things in any foreign country you can to some degree palm it off to the locals as being just that. They used a very clever play on words there to make you think that they don't teach it.

Its fine with me to suggest some are.. I mean who else are terrorists ?

the point is that INDIVIDUALS are terrorists, not their religious, or social persuasions! I think that's the thing that most people seem to misunderstand in their love of generalisation--

there are a LOT of muslims: it makes sens that some are terrorists because of the sheer volume of the community... that's all--

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Originally posted by EgosXII the point is that INDIVIDUALS are terrorists, not their religious, or social persuasions! I think that's the thing that most people seem to misunderstand in their love of generalisation--

There's also the counter point that most terrorists have recently fallen under the Muslim/Islam category. So there's a logical basis that contributes to (though doesn't necessarily justify) discrimination.

I'll put both our points into logic form:

Most terrorists are Muslim.
Most Muslims are not terrorists.


It's the same thing as saying:

Most KKK members are white people.
Most white people are not KKK members.

I think that's a very good way to put it, summarizing both our points succinctly

[over the intrawebz high-5]!

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Originally posted by Jake Benson There's also the counter point that most terrorists have recently fallen under the Muslim/Islam category. So there's a logical basis that contributes to (though doesn't necessarily justify) discrimination. I'll put both our points into logic form: Most terrorists are Muslim. Most Muslims are not terrorists. It's the same thing as saying: Most KKK members are white people. Most white people are not KKK members.

Well, the only problem with that is that most terrorists are intelligence agency operatives and/or member of organizations funded, trained, and set up by them, who could belong to any ethnic/religious group. Most acts of terrorism are carried out by the state, eigther as false flag operations or covert operations. And I can't think of a single KKK member who wasn't white, kinda hard to join if you're not.

Q.E.D

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, the only problem with that is that most terrorists are intelligence agency operatives and/or member of organizations funded, trained, and set up by them, who could belong to any ethnic/religious group.

This is true, as shown in a recent Southpark episode.

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Most acts of terrorism are carried out by the state, eigther as false flag operations or covert operations.

Oh well now that you are broadening the definition of "terrorism" of course it no longer means mostly Muslims.

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And I can't think of a single KKK member who wasn't white, kinda hard to join if you're not.

It was just a comparison, but apparently not an accurate example. Here's a better one: Most Israelis are Jews. Most Jews are not Israeli.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson This is true, as should in a recent Southpark episode.

Southpark isn't the best place to take your cues on history or politics from, try declassified documents instead.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Oh well now that you are broadening the definition of "terrorism" of course it no longer means mostly Muslims.

I'm actually not "broadening the definition" of "terrorism" here, it's been consciously narrowed down after 9-11 as to restrict it's usage and application because the very people (i.e. politician etc) supposedly "waging a war on terrorism," a ludicrous concept to begin with, fall under that category as well (i.e. terrorists).

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Originally posted by Jake Benson It was just a comparison, but apparently not an accurate example. Here's a better one: Most Israelis are Jews. Most Jews are not Israeli.

Yeah, that's a better analogy.





I understood the point you were trying to make, no need to get defensive man.

Yeah, because I know that Muskegon County, Michigan would be pretty high on my list of targets if I were an Islamic terrorist...

Let's cut the bullshit, Laz: who threatens the freedoms of Americans more? The 82% of Americans who identify as Christian or the 1% who identify as Muslim?

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Originally posted by LazFX the Christians do not burn, kill or attack people in the streets just because some focking moran drew a cartoon of Jesus fucking the pope in the rear .....

You must have missed the chocolate Jesus death-threat scandal. I'm also hoping that your use of the word "moran" was somehow deliberate on an ironic level that I am clearly far too drunk to detect right now.

I think it is clear that this topic is focused on non-state actors. That being the case, most terrorists are Muslims, and I feel perfectly okay making that generalization.

Although, I hope some ignorant redneck doesn't go on a hit-and-run spree in his pick-up to target pregnant Muslim women in Alabama.

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Originally posted by spiflicated That being the case, most terrorists are Muslims, and I feel perfectly okay making that generalization.

The IRA, the Basque separatists and the AUC in Colombia weren't Muslims and they have been by far the most prolific terrorist organisations over the past three decades. Pretending that this is a problem confined to a specific religion is ridiculous: any ideology that doesn't lend itself easily to criticism is bound to express itself in such a way.

We occupy a very small piece of history. The records will show us that Islam isn't the problem, it's the unquestioned obedience to any given ideology that is. I'm not apologising for Muslim extremists here, I'm merely saying that they are a very small part of a much larger problem.

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Originally posted by Renegade The IRA, the Basque separatists and the AUC in Colombia weren't Muslims and they have been by far the most prolific terrorist organisations over the past three decades. Pretending that this is a problem confined to a specific religion is ridiculous: any ideology that doesn't lend itself easily to criticism is bound to express itself in such a way.

Are these terrorists you speak of a recent threat to Americans?

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We occupy a very small piece of history. The records will show us that Islam isn't the problem, it's the unquestioned obedience to any given ideology that is. I'm not apologising for Muslim extremists here, I'm merely saying that they are a very small part of a much larger problem.

Very true and very good point. But considering recent events, I don't think Americans are saying, "We've had brutal attacks at our embassies and homeland by Muslims, but hey this has happened in the past to other people by other groups. Maybe we should look out for pirates too." Good knowledge in history should make one feel less discriminating, but considering the intensity of recent events by a specific group, that's not going to happen.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Southpark isn't the best place to take your cues on history or politics from, try declassified documents instead.

Southpark is more informative than news. You should watch it, and watch the "terrorist" episode in Season 11 (the hillary clinton one). I think you'd like it.

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I'm actually not "broadening the definition" of "terrorism" here, it's been consciously narrowed down after 9-11 as to restrict it's usage and application because the very people (i.e. politician etc) supposedly "waging a war on terrorism," a ludicrous concept to begin with, fall under that category as well (i.e. terrorists).

Well that's another way of putting it. Either way, he meaning of one word can change easily.

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I understood the point you were trying to make, no need to get defensive man.

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