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Production Aesthetics
Maybe you guys aren't aware but the EDM scene is definately the scene that pushes the production techniques used in every other type of music. I'm a composition major in university and i show alot of electronic stuff to the guys doing the masters in sound engineering and it is kinda funny how clueless alot of people are. I guess it was just a thought about some things we take for granted , are things that most people in the more mainstream field of music will never get.
Its kinda interesting to hear the things you hear in trance , house and the other genres pop up in mainstream music years later. Anyone remember that Usher tune ? the one that uses that crappy saw trance synth that might of been used in like 1999 for EDM.
Anyways , i thought i would give you guys a thumbs up for doing something that most people at my school consider retarded.
Nice! Never would have thought 
Yeah, that Usher tune lead synth was pretty outdated, I think it was a preset from Nord Lead 2, detuned saw with some legato (maybe a bit of unison). I never understood why people like that song so much.
Thanks for the thumbs up!
there are a few guys doing it right, timbaland mainly but i hear so many songs use sample cd's in their tracks. which is fine, we all do it but god damn quit treating these people like gods
maybe you guys havent noticed, or maybe its only on the west coast but EVERY rap song on the radio has a supersaw and an 808 kit these days.
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| Originally posted by DJREMIDI Yeah, that Usher tune lead synth was pretty outdated, I think it was a preset from Nord Lead 2, detuned saw with some legato (maybe a bit of unison). I never understood why people like that song so much. |
How about that Justin Timberlake song "My Love" theres a stuttered saw in there.
you will find that most of the great engineers within the chart/pop area are (or were) also producers of edm or other more production demanding genre's like cutting edge modern dub or hip-hop. you need to be passionate to want to work on something enough to get skills good enough to be useful in the chart game.
I may get shot for this but I am going to admit that I don't hate the music in the track Sexy Back the vocals annoy me but that dirty saw wouldn't exist without edm.
Too bad it just repeats for the whole track.
Are you talking about this usher tune?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQRtQAsA238
That tune is tight.
no the one with Justin Timberlake, quite a recent and decent track.
But Usher is a similar example 
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they use 808's and sawwav leads for the same reasons trance producers do.......to make a BIG sound.....hiphop or not, it sounds better in clubs
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| Originally posted by DJ Sound they use 808's and sawwav leads for the same reasons trance producers do.......to make a BIG sound.....hiphop or not, it sounds better in clubs |
I was thinking about this topic earlier myself too. So here's my two cents.
After producing trance for about a few years, in my honest opinion, I think the trance producer shows more knowledge about musical composition and techniques than the people who make modern day mainstream music. And here's why.
Most of the music you hear on the radio nowadays consists of a simple drum rhythm with some sort of simple bass, maybe a dry string or saw and then vocals. The sounds they have are heavily sample based and very little is synthesized from scratch. Not to take credit from the producer but in the end what it comes down to is just organization and simple mastering.
On the other hand, the trance producer has much more to take into account. He or she has to learn to techniques behind synthesize from the bare bone waveforms and how to adjust the different knobs and levels to create the desired sound. From the bassline to the main lead to the subtle sounds and effects, the trance producer covers a wider variety of sounds than a mainstream producer. PLUS, let's not forget that trance music is usually more dense than mainstream stuff. The mixing and mastering has to be more accurate and well-learned in order to produce a clean sound. The elaborate melodies and sense of structure are also apart of what we have to think about.
But this is the weird part, the average listener appreciates the crap that you hear on the radio more than what you churn out of reason or fl studio. I mean before I produced, I used to think the music on the radio was awesome. Now, I expect a lot more. So when it comes down to who has more talent, my vote goes to the trance producer. For all of you who have tried to get onto labels but haven't, just know that your knowledge or music is FAR beyond what the mainstream music puts out nowadays.
trance producers care too much about production aesthetics, and this is one of the reasons it sucks so much.
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| Originally posted by azndragon0613 I was thinking about this topic earlier myself too. So here's my two cents. After producing trance for about a few years, in my honest opinion, I think the trance producer shows more knowledge about musical composition and techniques than the people who make modern day mainstream music. And here's why. Most of the music you hear on the radio nowadays consists of a simple drum rhythm with some sort of simple bass, maybe a dry string or saw and then vocals. The sounds they have are heavily sample based and very little is synthesized from scratch. Not to take credit from the producer but in the end what it comes down to is just organization and simple mastering. On the other hand, the trance producer has much more to take into account. He or she has to learn to techniques behind synthesize from the bare bone waveforms and how to adjust the different knobs and levels to create the desired sound. From the bassline to the main lead to the subtle sounds and effects, the trance producer covers a wider variety of sounds than a mainstream producer. PLUS, let's not forget that trance music is usually more dense than mainstream stuff. The mixing and mastering has to be more accurate and well-learned in order to produce a clean sound. The elaborate melodies and sense of structure are also apart of what we have to think about. But this is the weird part, the average listener appreciates the crap that you hear on the radio more than what you churn out of reason or fl studio. I mean before I produced, I used to think the music on the radio was awesome. Now, I expect a lot more. So when it comes down to who has more talent, my vote goes to the trance producer. For all of you who have tried to get onto labels but haven't, just know that your knowledge or music is FAR beyond what the mainstream music puts out nowadays. |
id like to see any of you trance producers produce a hip hop track, or better yet, a club rap track.
y'all act like it's so easy, but you have no idea. trance producers, or whatever, arnt any better than any other type of edm producer...producing trance isnt any easier than any type of edm, including rap
club rap is easy just get a proteus or a triton wahahha.
stfu ninja we already had this convoo...you cant go dumb if ur life depended on it.
i been throwin up my T's before u ever heard of mac dre nigga
hahahhahahaha you aint even from da baaaay
ur area code aint 415 707 or 510
sac town nigga, i used to go to tha sideshows in east oakland every weekend before u ever put on ur first thizzface. hella ppl biting hyphy now. every kid is tryin to throw up they T's these days.
rofl ... hahaha.... come on now....
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| Originally posted by beats and beeps trance producers care too much about production aesthetics, and this is one of the reasons it sucks so much. |
whatever dont believe me. you have no idea how easy/hard that shit is to make untill you try a triton or competing rompler.
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| Originally posted by mysticalninja club rap is easy just get a proteus or a triton wahahha. |
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