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REVIEW (finally): Tiësto @ Mansion (Mar. 25)
In short: No Magik.
This was one of those events that are more about the social scene than the music 
You can tell when the VIP guy at the door is shouting that you can get a table for $3000 
and there is a constant stream of a certain type of clientele happy to pay that much (or should I say that little?)!
Anyway, the club gradually fills up during Fedde Le Grand's opening set. While the guy can mix, what he plays is unbearably boring 
My legs move only to avert cramps, while my ears haven't been so tortured since... I'll have to get back to you on that 
Tiësto finally makes his entrance around 01:00 (after some guy had set up the mixer/headphones/etc for him 
). As soon as he takes over, what looks like a sea of people rush from backstage to show off at the front: Hello Sveta! Hello Jes & Jay! As well as many others who I assume are only local celebrities 
I think that he spent most of the first hour or two with tracks from his "Elements of Life" album and some current tunes from others. Pretty good start 
Unfortunately, after that he goes into some strange new style (couldn't tell you what most of those tracks were), that quickly turns into non-melodic hard trance (Traffic, Flight 643, and the likes) 
He doesn't look too comfortable with his mixing, but it's OK, apart from the lack of key matching most of the time (which I have to admit I now find annoying). Basically no crowd interaction, but he does fake it when the big camera is on him 
and later signs a few mementos.
Shortly before 05:00, he ends with "Touch Me." By that time, I'm so bored/tired that I can't wait to go catch my flight back home and don't even stay one minute into the track 
So... very disappointing after his amazing show there a year earlier (though it was on a Sunday--apparently the only day of the week when he excels 
). At least this year we can't blame it on Jes for singing live while not sober 
Goes to show you that sometimes the best things in life are free 
In retrospect, the Cafeteria was the better choice for trance that night! Next year I'll just go with Andy Moor vs anyone else, since we have the same musical sensibility 
Thank God I didn't spend 75 bucks to see Tiesto b/c
his new stuff suck ! I would rather pay that kind
of money to see Armin any day !!!!!!!!!!!
Re: REVIEW (finally): Tiësto @ Mansion (Mar. 25)
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| Originally posted by philippe As soon as he takes over, what looks like a sea of people rush from backstage to show off at the front: Hello Sveta! Hello Jes & Jay! As well as many others who I assume are only local celebrities |
Heh... did anyone honestly expect any other outcome?
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| Originally posted by TranceNation1 his new stuff suck ! |
Sorry about that .Fri was good right?That was the way it was jan2 for tiesto.Next year i think ill go for SVD menno? B&J Cosmic Andy M.. Well see you next year!
Tiesto jumped the shark quite sometime ago. Between putting out horribly produced mixtapes and artist albums so cheesy it would make Kraft jealous. Tiesto is just to into being "Tiesto" the Pop Enertainer instead of DJ "TIESTO" the DJ. although his sound is always evolving, which i cant say for djs like AVB and ferry, but conversely its not evolving for the better. sets are nebulously thrown together with a complete lack of direction and are incessantly littered with Tiestos greatest, and not-so-greatest hits and inane remixes of those errrr hits(when was Love Comes Again ever a hit?). i cant remember the last time i saw a tiesto tracklist that looked banging from beginning to end since his amsterdam set of late 2005. it always seems like every tour he does now is for his newest shitty album release party. whats he on now ISOS 8, triple disc compilation? well artistic integrity and set quality went out the window a long time ago so whats another shit album to add to the list. keep up the good work tijs, if you keep going at this rate you will have completely aleinated every fan that you had before 2002. cheers mate.
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| Originally posted by Mattivi Tiesto jumped the shark quite sometime ago. Between putting out horribly produced mixtapes and artist albums so cheesy it would make Kraft jealous. Tiesto is just to into being "Tiesto" the Pop Enertainer instead of DJ "TIESTO" the DJ. although his sound is always evolving, which i cant say for djs like AVB and ferry, but conversely its not evolving for the better. sets are nebulously thrown together with a complete lack of direction and are incessantly littered with Tiestos greatest, and not-so-greatest hits and inane remixes of those errrr hits(when was Love Comes Again ever a hit?). i cant remember the last time i saw a tiesto tracklist that looked banging from beginning to end since his amsterdam set of late 2005. it always seems like every tour he does now is for his newest shitty album release party. whats he on now ISOS 8, triple disc compilation? well artistic integrity and set quality went out the window a long time ago so whats another shit album to add to the list. keep up the good work tijs, if you keep going at this rate you will have completely aleinated every fan that you had before 2002. cheers mate. |
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| Originally posted by PatMcGroin first it was oakenfold. now its tiesto. and some could argue pvd. next its armin. honestly, i believe that all the worlds "best" djs will at some point follow this pattern. this is why one has to listen to what he likes and not what everyone else is ranting and raving about. |
Rzo makes some real valid points, most of us would probably do the same if in their shoes. the tiesto machine is pretty big now, and they obviously have the formula down pat, so i guess any deviation from that formula could mean a loss of dollars, and the tiesto machine has a lot of mouths to feed. But if i was a dj, i cant imagine doing a set in any other fashion but to rock the crowds socks off. most of tiesto's sets these days are geared to attract hordes of mindless noobs, play myriads of insipid tracks from a new album or to build on the "tiesto brand". im sure he does throw down a massive set or two a year(out of like 150gigs) that is worthy of praise, but there was a time when that was a regularity. the one thing that really chapped my ass is his clear lack of alegiance. LP and the Space Crew put down the red carpet every time his ass came to town for nearly four years, and played an integral part of his intial exposure and SUCCESS in North America, only for him to about face and take his circus act to mansion. alot of this had to do with the whole Global Gatherings, Ultra Fest battle of a year ago, but i think Tiesto really tanked his reputation here in Miami with that bogus move. oh well, it is what it is.
Best thread I'd read all day. Great review, dude.
Anyone who went to this party instead of Armada Night got what they deserved, completely fucked over. But they only have themselves to blame.
Just compare the reviews.
Tiesto had his day, and he will definitely play good again and anyone there on such a night will be lucky. But because those nights are so few and far between it is not worth it to risk it.
And to claim that Tiesto HAS TO sell out in order to make money, or make his marketing people happy, or because of his marketing people, or because he is so big, is a fuckin joke and weak ass excuse. Are you seriously claiming that if he plays good he will not have any fans, lose money, lose marketing opportunites, end up working at McDonalds, etc. Well that is complete Bullshit. In fact the opposite is true. Because he has money, because he has status, he can tell any marketing person to fuck off and play whatever he wants to play. He hardly needs to be marketed or promoted, they need him not vice versa. Come on you know who can fire who in that business relationship.
Between 2000 and 2003 is when Tiesto was ripping the best sets around, and making everyone happy. And that is when his fanbase grew to extremes and his price per gig went through the roof as well. So history tells another story completely. He plays what he wants to play, not what anyone else makes him play. And right now it's shit, and it's on him, period.
And yes what he did to LP & Space may have been wrong in some people's opinions. But how many people has Space and LP done wrong. It's called Karma, and it evens shit out. And do not fool yourselves, LP & Space could have him if they really wanted him.
RU YOU SERIOUS^^^^
What im saying is that Tiesto has a very large fan base that is mostly noobs, who expect him to play all the played out hits at almost every gig. Just go over to Tiesto.com forums, which is a joke and a state certified daycare nowadays, and look for yourself. People are pissed because he didnt play traffic or LCA or some new lame remix of 643 or Lethal Industry. Tiesto spins for a bunch of new, relativley uneducated crowd who expects him to drop the hits at almost every gig. Just go to a tiesto gig and will see the noobs erupt with glee the minute he drops Just Be or LCA as if the those tracks were the paragon of edm productions. he spins for a very neophyte crowd now. which isnt all bad because it keeps the edm wheels spinning, but to us older more learned fans its displeasuring knowing what he once was. read on..
anyways, Its almost like he is stuck, because he is damned if he does and damned if he dont. If he starts playing real sets again he wont be able to sell out concert halls at every tour because the bottom will fall out, at least in relativitly to what he is used to now. Tiesto has built his enormous fanbase of the last few years off of the three dj awards, "Just Be", ISOS4-5, and his Olympic Performance. To me all those albums were very poorly produced and mixed together, but they fostered him legions of new fans and made him more money than he could dream of. whether you like it or not the tiesto machine is big and i dont think anyone, him included, wants to see it come back down to reality, pre 2003 reality, when he was big but not obnoxiously big. but at the sametime with all this popstar image and persona that he has become he has alienated his older fanbase. one only has to go to the Tiesto boards and see that 90 percent of the older, original fans are now gone, and more like me are becoming more irritated by the day.
frankly, Tiesto hasnt done anything for me since WMC05, and the last recorded liveset that was worth a listen was HMH Amsterdam in Dec05(were he really played what he wanted to play). thats pretty piss poor. and i guarantee you if you asked tiesto, he doesnt play what he wants to play, in fact its documented. he has said in multiple interviews its tuff because the newer fans all want to hear the hits, while the older ones want to hear newer fresh music. so i guess its just a matter of what his priorites are. be a real dj who plays new fresh music all the time, or pander to the newer fans who want to her Adaigio 4 Strings at the end of every gig. i think he has chosen the latter and wishes to be some kind of pop icon and not a DJ. if thats what he wants i cant fault him, i guess its just the evolution of things. but when i look at djs like sasha and pvd who both won the award multiple times, who both stay true to the game and have no aspirations to be pop icons. i admire that even tho i dont like their brand of music. to me a real dj wants to rock the crowd every nite and tiesto hasnt done that in quite sometime, and its a shame he used to be able to read a crowd like no other. but the real problem is he used to spin for an experienced crowd of clubbers who loved the music, not a bunch of posers like he spins for now who are just there to witness the 'hot' act.
so no im not saying that if he spins good music(which people like us on TA know) no one will go to see him. what im saying is that if he does that, his inflated following will shrink to pre 2003 levels when he wasnt a DJ god. he would still be big, but not what he is now.... and from what i see thats not what he wants. before 2003 tiesto wasnt putting out two shitty cd comps a year and promoting each one touring the world and doing sets in Dayton Ohio and outer Mongolia. hell, didnt he all but skip Ibiza last year? what self respecting dj does that? that would be like Lebron James electing to sit out the All Star Game. perplexing to say the least. it would be nice if Konijn or Michal Boogerd! chimed in on this discussion. both have great insight on Tijs and are amazingly, still ardent fans. me im about all but finished with tiesto. who cares tho right?!
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| Originally posted by philippe In short: No Magik. |
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| Originally posted by Mattivi |
did anyone here go to the 'surpise' set he played at 6am right after this? wondering how that compared musically....
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| Originally posted by Cool1g did anyone here go to the 'surpise' set he played at 6am right after this? wondering how that compared musically.... |
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| Originally posted by av1 And yes what he did to LP & Space may have been wrong in some people's opinions. But how many people has Space and LP done wrong. It's called Karma, and it evens shit out. And do not fool yourselves, LP & Space could have him if they really wanted him. |
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| Originally posted by beema there hasn't been Magik for years Eintstein |
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| Originally posted by av1 Anyone who went to this party instead of Armada Night got what they deserved, completely fucked over. But they only have themselves to blame. |
I would have been with Andy Moor instead of Armin (and Markus ) if not for Tiësto.
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| Originally posted by Mattivi RU YOU SERIOUS^^^^ What im saying is that Tiesto has a very large fan base that is mostly noobs, who expect him to play all the played out hits at almost every gig. Just go over to Tiesto.com forums, which is a joke and a state certified daycare nowadays, and look for yourself. People are pissed because he didnt play traffic or LCA or some new lame remix of 643 or Lethal Industry. Tiesto spins for a bunch of new, relativley uneducated crowd who expects him to drop the hits at almost every gig. Just go to a tiesto gig and will see the noobs erupt with glee the minute he drops Just Be or LCA as if the those tracks were the paragon of edm productions. he spins for a very neophyte crowd now. which isnt all bad because it keeps the edm wheels spinning, but to us older more learned fans its displeasuring knowing what he once was. read on.. anyways, Its almost like he is stuck, because he is damned if he does and damned if he dont. If he starts playing real sets again he wont be able to sell out concert halls at every tour because the bottom will fall out, at least in relativitly to what he is used to now. Tiesto has built his enormous fanbase of the last few years off of "Just Be", ISOS4-5, and his Olympic Performance. To me all those albums were very poorly produced and mixed together, but they fostered him legions of new fans and made him more money than he could dream of. whether you like it or not the tiesto machine is big and i dont think anyone, him included, wants to see it come back down to reality, pre 2003 reality, when he was big but not obnoxiously big. but at the sametime with all this popstar image and persona that he has become he has alienated his older fanbase. one only has to go to the Tiesto boards and see that 90 percent of the older, original fans are now gone, and more like me are becoming more irritated by the day. frankly, Tiesto hasnt done anything for me since WMC05, and the last recorded liveset that was worth a listen was HMH Amsterdam in Dec05(were he really played what he wanted to play). thats pretty piss poor. and i guarantee you if you asked tiesto, he doesnt play what he wants to play, in fact its documented. he has said in multiple interviews its tuff because the newer fans all want to hear the hits, while the older ones want to hear newer fresh music. so i guess its just a matter of what his priorites are. be a real dj who plays new fresh music all the time, or pander to the newer fans who want to her Adaigio 4 Strings at the end of every gig. i think he has chosen the latter and wishes to be some kind of pop icon and not a DJ. if thats what he wants i cant fault him, i guess its just the evolution of things. but when i look at djs like sasha and pvd who both won the award multiple times, who both stay true to the game and have no aspirations to be pop icons. i admire that even tho i dont like their brand of music. to me a real dj wants to rock the crowd every nite and tiesto hasnt done that in quite sometime, and its a shame he used to be able to read a crowd like no other. but the real problem is he used to spin for an experienced crowd of clubbers who loved the music, not a bunch of posers like he spins for now who are just there to witness the 'hot' act. so no im not saying that if he spins good music(which people like us on TA know) no one will go to see him. what im saying is that if he does that, his inflated following will shrink to pre 2003 levels when he wasnt a DJ god. he would still be big, but not what he is now.... and from what i see thats not what he wants. before 2003 tiesto wasnt putting out two shitty cd comps a year and promoting each one touring the world and doing sets in Dayton Ohio and outer Mongolia. hell, didnt he all but skip Ibiza last year? what self respecting dj does that? that would be like Lebron James electing to sit out the All Star Game. perplexing to say the least. it would be nice if Konijn or Michal Boogerd! chimed in on this discussion. both have great insight on Tijs and are amazingly, still ardent fans. me im about all but finished with tiesto. who cares tho right?! |
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| Originally posted by philippe You must not have been there or read the reviews about his Sunday show at Mansion during WMC 2006. That one WAS Magik (except for Jes) <-- Not Einstein, but has a Ph.D. in astrophysics |
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| Originally posted by Scoops SPACE fuckd over Tengalia |
it gets even better, now all u tiesto lovers can prolly see him 4-5 times a year that he has bought a mammoth of a residence in Miami!
http://www.cooljunkie.com/forums/in...;threadid=38869
TIESTO!!!!!!
now mansion can really start raking in the dough as well as tiesto considering he makes a minimum of 50k to spin there and rumored to be almost 100k during wmc for one gig, if anything this sure is good for the economy, and the fact that more and more underage chicks will start getting fucked up and becoming sluts
i really DO like tiesto after all
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| Originally posted by RzO it gets even better, now all u tiesto lovers can prolly see him 4-5 times a year that he has bought a mammoth of a residence in Miami! http://www.cooljunkie.com/forums/in...;threadid=38869 TIESTO!!!!!! now mansion can really start raking in the dough as well as tiesto considering he makes a minimum of 50k to spin there and rumored to be almost 100k during wmc for one gig, if anything this sure is good for the economy, and the fact that more and more underage chicks will start getting fucked up and becoming sluts i really DO like tiesto after all |
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