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Roseanne kinda making sense???

"While co-hosting a radio show on KCAA, Roseanne Barr and her on-air guest, black lesbian activist Jasmyne Cannick, talked about gays. Roseanne talked a little more:"

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Never once in my 54 years have I ever once heard a gay or lesbian person who's politically active say one thing about anything that was not about them. They don't care about minimum wage, they don't care about any other group other than their own self because you know, some people say being gay and lesbian is a totally narcissistic thing and sometimes I wonder. I've never heard any of them say anything except for "accept me 'cause I'm gay." It's just, it's screwed. It's no different than the evangelicals, it's the same mindset. They want you to accept Jesus and you guys want us to all believe it's ok to be gay. And a lot of us, a lot of them, I do, I don't give a damn who anybody has sex with, as long as they're not underage and an animal. I don't give a damn, it's none of my damn business. I'm just sick of all the divisiveness, it's not getting any of us anywhere."

I hate generalizations in general (almost as much as I hate Roseanne), but she does make a somewhat salient point.

Roseanne is correctly pointing out that many gays are pansies who only talk about issues related to their gayness, but applying it to the wrong group of people.

Does Roseanne live in West Hollywood where most of the city population is gay and most politicians are gay? Since there's a consensus in town to give gay people the right to adopt, right to marry, right to form gay groups, etc., there isn't a NEED to center around these gay-only agendas because there aren't Christian right-wing conservative ass-bandits oppressing their basic civil rights.

Just watch what happens when suddenly the United States grants gays:
1. Marriage or equivalent (civil union)
2. Lifts "Don't Ask Don't Tell" ban in military
3. Allows gay adoption
4. Passes a law banning discimination against gays in the workplace

Those issues are most important to gays. So of course any queer interested in politics will be interested in those basic civil rights before most other issues. Is Roseanne saying that a lesbian interested in politics should say, "Raise minimum wage!" when the poor dyke is fearing getting fired just for being a homosexual because there's no law preventing discrimination based on sexual orientation?

Of course I'm not denying that there's a TON of gay people who play victim everyday based on the smallest problems and want their homosexuality to be the focus of everyone's attention. But I think gays interested in politics push gay agendas for more of an altruistic reason: to gain civil rights for gays.

Roseanne is a nut. If it weren't for the politically active pushing the gay agenda, she wouldn't be able to wed in Massachusetts or civil unionize in Connecticut, Rhode Island, or Vermont. In fact, 54 years ago that dyke wouldn't be seen on TV as an open Lesbian. Wait...is she even a Lesbian?

Hey Shakka,

Did it ever occur to you that maybe gays wouldn't need to make such a show of defending themselves, if there were no culture wars and religious agendas pushed down the nation's throat by the Christian Right?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

You might argue that the gays started it by pushing for marriage/adoption laws, but still - if the social climate in this country was calm and non-political, as it is in England or Australia - there wouldn't be so much poison in the first place.

You simply don't understand the idea of CAMP, and the extreme level of campiness that our entire society functions on at every level.

Some gays and lesbians don't take shit as seriously as teh hets simply because they don't have to worry about the same priorities. No children, no wife nagging or buying useless baubles, two sources of income, etc. With that extra metaphysical freedom can arise a certain understanding of the ridiculousness of our backass society.

By the way, Bush blatantly used gays as his stepping stone in dividing the national vote before the election.

PS: Are you trying to insinuate that every class of voter doesn't vote based on their own personal agendas? I know that can't be the case.

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Originally posted by Shakka I hate generalizations in general (almost as much as I hate Roseanne), but she does make a somewhat salient point.

Not really much of a point, it's slightly sensationalised because of the homosexual subject matter which makes old people blush, conservatives worried, rednecks kick something, christian's grumble about going to hell and the immature titter and giggle.

Basically if you where to say substitute in the words 'Green Party' instead of 'Gay' or any number of the eco-hippy groups out there instead, you'd find it's much the same agenda which gets drummed up the loudest, because that's what they're about.
Everyone who has a political angle, has a main agenda they like to focus on.
Homosexuals petition for equal rights
Greenies petition to save the environment
Liberals petition for social justices and other whining
Conservatives petition for more money to go start a war with someone
Gun nuts petition for bigger guns for everyone
(Lilith is being sarcastic there... quit crying if I picked on your favourite political group)

It's all fairly much their main agendas and they do have the secondary agendas as well if you manage to prod them hard enough with something while they're not rambling on about the main one. Heck every now and then they'll actually volunteer to jump on something currently big and showy like the Eco movement if they think it'll make them popular and score some votes, course not actually with the same kind of fervour as the people that focus on it, but enough to display some kind of extra dimension to their party's main chorus of whining.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Hey Shakka, Did it ever occur to you that maybe gays wouldn't need to make such a show of defending themselves, if there were no culture wars and religious agendas pushed down the nation's throat by the Christian Right? Which came first, the chicken or the egg? You might argue that the gays started it by pushing for marriage/adoption laws, but still - if the social climate in this country was calm and non-political, as it is in England or Australia - there wouldn't be so much poison in the first place.

Hay is for horses. England is non-political?

Oh well, in retrospect I probably shouldn't have even made the post despite my weak attempt to distance myself from the quote. I was more shocked that coherent words actually came out of her mouth, unlike say, this ghastly memory...



OK. I take it all back. I hate this women for all she stands for and I could care less what her opinion is of any and everything!

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Originally posted by Shakka Oh well, in retrospect I probably shouldn't have even made the post despite my weak attempt to distance myself from the quote.

Made a pleasant change of subject compared to domestic US politics, people whining about the US, people frothing at the mouth over the middle east and hating the jews.
Entertainers are a lot of things but I rarely think many have anything profound to say without a script.

Am I the only one that loved her show? Totally great blue-collar comedy.

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Originally posted by Lilith Gun nuts petition for bigger guns for everyone

I thought everyone wanted bigger guns.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby By the way, Bush blatantly used gays as his stepping stone in dividing the national vote before the election.

Pretty much. Say what you want about the gays being obsessed with homosexuality, but it doesn't even come close to the conservative obsession with homosexuality. Why focus on piddling issues like small government and fiscal responsibility when you can stop two guys from having their relationship recognised by the state?

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Originally posted by Shakka I was more shocked that coherent words actually came out of her mouth, unlike say, this ghastly memory...

That was actually pretty awesome. I like to think of it as "political-comment-through-desecration-of-national-anthem", much in the same vain as:

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Originally posted by spiflicated Am I the only one that loved her show? Totally great blue-collar comedy.

I loved her show too!

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Originally posted by spiflicated Am I the only one that loved her show? Totally great blue-collar comedy.

The only thing I liked about that show was John Goodman. Married With Children wins the blue-collar comedy award in my book.

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