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Posted by hooknife on Apr-12-2007 14:30:

Should I buy Pioneer CDJ1000's?

I was thinking about buying 2 Pioneer CDJ1000�s for my home setup. I was just curious if you guys like any other CD mixers better? If you do please tell me which one you like and why you like it better.

Thanks in advance!


Posted by richg101 on Apr-12-2007 15:15:

cdj 200 or 800's are the only other option. really i wouldnt bother with 1000's for home use. the only thing they got thats really better is the track waveform image..


Posted by Freak on Apr-12-2007 15:22:

quote:
Originally posted by richg101
really i wouldnt bother with 1000's for home use. the only thing they got thats really better is the track waveform image..


And the memory card, the more accurate pitch, the loop in adjust function, and the hot cues (and hot loops on the mk3), and a couple of other things

Although i hated the cdjs at first, like a fungus they have grown on me (buying 3 helped I suppose)
Has to be said, pioneer did nail it with them. Anything else on the market doesnt really compare IMHO.

Buy them used.
Try them.
If you dont like them you arent exactly going to lose much with current prices... so sell them on.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Apr-12-2007 15:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Freak
And the memory card, the more accurate pitch, the loop in adjust function, and the hot cues (and hot loops on the mk3), and a couple of other things

Don't the 200 and the 1000 have the same pitch accuracy?


Posted by idoru on Apr-12-2007 15:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Don't the 200 and the 1000 have the same pitch accuracy?


They do. Their platters, however, are the most noticeable difference.


Posted by Freak on Apr-12-2007 15:25:

Havent used the 200s so no idea- was comparing them to the 800s


Posted by agentdansmith on Apr-12-2007 16:18:

DO the 800mk2's not have the same pitch accuracy as the 200's and 1000's then?


Posted by skip on Apr-12-2007 16:46:

quote:
Originally posted by agentdansmith
DO the 800mk2's not have the same pitch accuracy as the 200's and 1000's then?



no they don't. they only have 0,05%





edit:
and on the topic. i don't think you should buy the cdj1000s unless you have too much money to spend. sure they're the best dj cd-players around but also the most expensive ones. i'd go with the 200s or the 800s if i were you. or the denon dn-s 3500 if they're any good (i'm still undecided about that).


Posted by miamitranceman on Apr-12-2007 18:27:

I think you should get the 800 mk2s because you get the feel of the top of the line 1000s for a lot less. The pitch issue, as previously mentioned, is a non-issue for many users including myself.


Posted by Spirit5 on Apr-12-2007 18:43:

If you want to scratch, then definitely the 800s. If you just mix and still want the 6%, 0.02 resolution pitch then your best bet is the 200s. I just downgraded from CDJ 1000 MK2s. They were fine, but the funny thing is, so far I like the 200s better. Not just because they are smaller and much less expensive (two 200s cost less than one 1000 MK3), but I find the platter smoother (well smoother than my MK2 was, the 1000 MK3s are almost too smooth), and they don't have anything more than you need in a home-set up for mixing.

They don't scratch, but unless your into hip hop or are a James Zabiela or Eddie Halliwell wannabe, than forget it. Unless of course, you are rich and can afford 1000s, but you really should know how to mix before buying something that expensive, like on TTs or basic CDJs. Not everyone is a good mixer, and believe me..i've been mixing for like four years now, and I still feel like a beginner (okay more like an intermediate now, still have to tackle EQing properly).


Posted by Tony Morello on Apr-12-2007 19:24:

pioneer cdj-1000 mk3 FTMFW!!!

as soon as i can afford to, i'm getting a pair


Posted by Ryan0751 on Apr-12-2007 19:25:

I wish they would slap the wave display on all their players... I really find it useful.

Pioneers lineup is kinda of ridiculous. You have the CDJ-200 that's a great unit at a great price, and you have the 1000 that's a great unit at a ridiculous price.

The jump from the 800 to the 1000 in terms of features for the money is scary. A few things here and there, but not worth $500!

I bought my CDJ-1000MK2's 2 years ago for $929 shipped to my door. The MK3's amazingly went up in price to $1100? Ridiculous!


Posted by Spirit5 on Apr-12-2007 19:30:

I actually like it without the wave display. It didn't seem to help me that much. It's much more accurate on programs like Ableton Live or MixMeister or any of those programs like Torque or Serato, than it is on the tiny screen on a 1000. You don't have that on TTs, so you really just have to know your tunes. And I agree, the 1000s are over-priced.


Posted by Tony Morello on Apr-12-2007 19:33:

i agree they're overpriced, but because they're that good, people pay it

myself included


Posted by Ryan0751 on Apr-12-2007 19:33:

Ha! I have Torq, and I actually suggested that they implement a view that looks LIKE the CDJ-1000's. Why? The Torq or Ableton wave display is detailed for sure, but it's too busy and you can't see an overview of the whole track in an easy to look at manner.

I thought the 1000's was pretty stupid when I first got them, but then I realized they are actually really well done. They only show you the "upper half" of the wave form (to keep it clean looking), and very clearly show you a breakdown or what not coming up. You don't really need a lot of resolution in that application.

As for not having that on TT's, haven't you ever looked at your vinyl? DJ's have been reading the vinyl for years.

quote:
Originally posted by Spirit5
I actually like it without the wave display. It didn't seem to help me that much. It's much more accurate on programs like Ableton Live or MixMeister or any of those programs like Torque or Serato, than it is on the tiny screen on a 1000. You don't have that on TTs, so you really just have to know your tunes. And I agree, the 1000s are over-priced.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Apr-12-2007 19:55:

If Denon hadn't had so many issues with their DN-S3500's, perhaps they could have had a decent competitor on the market that would force Pio to drop their prices.

quote:
Originally posted by Tony Morello
i agree they're overpriced, but because they're that good, people pay it

myself included


Posted by Spirit5 on Apr-12-2007 20:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
Ha! I have Torq, and I actually suggested that they implement a view that looks LIKE the CDJ-1000's. Why? The Torq or Ableton wave display is detailed for sure, but it's too busy and you can't see an overview of the whole track in an easy to look at manner.

I thought the 1000's was pretty stupid when I first got them, but then I realized they are actually really well done. They only show you the "upper half" of the wave form (to keep it clean looking), and very clearly show you a breakdown or what not coming up. You don't really need a lot of resolution in that application.

As for not having that on TT's, haven't you ever looked at your vinyl? DJ's have been reading the vinyl for years.


Yeah you can look at your vinyl and I know they do, and when I had TTs I did, but sometimes at clubs, it's dark so it's not always easy to see a black vinyl at all clubs. Not every club or bar has the DJ booth illuminated so you can see the vinyl. I think the best, in that situation, is to just know the track, listen to the track, vs. starring at a piece of vinyl. Maybe to look when the track is almost over with, which is the same thing you can do on CDJs that don't have WAVE display, see how long the track has left and mix it in from there. It's actually better on CDJs, because you can see how many minutes and seconds are left remaining. You really can't do that on TTs.


Posted by discobiscuit on Apr-13-2007 06:59:

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you should get the 1000's because they are the best. i'm spinning on cdj1000mk3's and the djm800. it doesnt get any better! what do the professional dj's use? what do all of the best clubs have in them? cdj1000mk3's! there are sooooo many things you can do with 1000's that you cant do on 800's. yeah loops, pitch, and hot cues doesnt sound like much but you can do soo much w/ those features.if you can afford them then go for it...


Posted by Mmanu on Apr-13-2007 09:49:

Re: Should I buy Pioneer CDJ1000's?

quote:
Originally posted by hooknife
I was thinking about buying 2 Pioneer CDJ1000�s for my home setup.


NO. They suck


Posted by hooknife on Apr-14-2007 00:02:

Re: Re: Should I buy Pioneer CDJ1000's?

quote:
Originally posted by Mmanu
NO. They suck



Posted by Mmanu on Apr-14-2007 00:16:

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I love CDJs


Posted by hooknife on Apr-14-2007 00:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Mmanu
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I love CDJs


Then I retract my


Posted by Scolomon on Apr-15-2007 03:10:

how useful are the hotcues? i know you can set up like 3 different parts on a track to cue. so if i hit this button on a song does it seemlessly go back to this spot in the song and sound continuous?


Posted by miamitranceman on Apr-15-2007 05:30:

Save your money. Get 800s and put the rest towards other accessories.


Posted by ZeJayMan on Apr-15-2007 13:07:

Buy two 200's and an 800mk2. That's how i'd roll.

The 1000's are awesome pieces of kit man. If money wasn't an optio, mamma mia i'd have a few of them.


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