So exactly whats the diff in direct drive/belt driven tts

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Posted by Jah on Apr-08-2002 11:40:

So exactly whats the diff in direct drive/belt driven tts

sorry i know this is a bit of a n00b question but today at the record store i was using a belt driven one and i guess its ok to play the vinyl on but it did feel a bit... fucked... compared to the direct drive ones... just seemed like it had no power and was really laggy is this what people are reffering too when they say dd owns?

Posted by pixyjunket on Apr-08-2002 11:47:

belt drives are powered by a rubber band. direct drives are powerd by a motor. that's the basic explination.

Posted by Jah on Apr-08-2002 12:42:

yeah i knew that i meant how it affected the dj...

Posted by pixyjunket on Apr-08-2002 13:05:

okay.. belt drives usually will not be able to hold a pitch accuratelty for long periods of time.. also.. they're typically not nearly as accurate on pitch settings in general..

for play only they are probably fine.. but if you are interested in DJing.. stay far far far away from them.

Posted by djeso on Apr-08-2002 15:26:

quote:
Originally posted by pixyjunket
okay.. belt drives usually will not be able to hold a pitch accuratelty for long periods of time.. also.. they're typically not nearly as accurate on pitch settings in general..

for play only they are probably fine.. but if you are interested in DJing.. stay far far far away from them.

Well Belt drives are definetaly worse then direct, but if you know what you're doing you can perform as good on a belt as on a dd.

Posted by gOuRYeLLa~! on Apr-08-2002 15:54:

to the person that posted above me, it is not true that you can play as good on a belt drive as on a direct drive..

simply because of torque issues... (belt drive torque = sux)

also, if you wanna dj using pitch which you have to.. rofl..

belt drives CANNOT keep their pitch, so djing is basically out of luck.. therefore you cant keep a steady mix..

Posted by pixyjunket on Apr-08-2002 16:00:

quote:
Originally posted by djeso
Well Belt drives are definetaly worse then direct, but if you know what you're doing you can perform as good on a belt as on a dd.

it's not a matter of knowing what you're doing or not.. it's just a plain fact that belt drives do not have the proper torque to be used for proper dj use.

Posted by pixyjunket on Apr-08-2002 16:02:

quote:
Originally posted by gOuRYeLLa~!
to the person that posted above me, it is not true that you can play as good on a belt drive as on a direct drive..

simply because of torque issues... (belt drive torque = sux)

also, if you wanna dj using pitch which you have to.. rofl..

belt drives CANNOT keep their pitch, so djing is basically out of luck.. therefore you cant keep a steady mix..

see what i mean?

Posted by PSi on Apr-08-2002 16:13:

some guy told me about this... A belt drive is basically powered by a motor in the corner of the turntable. The let-down of having a belt drive is if you scratch, their is a bit of a lag becasue the motor is in the corner and their might be a bit of a time delay. Plus the belt gets worn out, then all scratching goes to hell. As for direct drive the motor is located directly in the center of the turntable and their is no belt. The motor just powers the platter. So therefor its better for scratching and there is no wear and tear. It basically boils down to preferance, but i assume most djs prefer the direct drive.

later
PSi

Posted by Dj Thy on Apr-08-2002 18:07:

quote:
Originally posted by djeso

Well Belt drives are definetaly worse then direct, but if you know what you're doing you can perform as good on a belt as on a dd.

Gotta agree partially with him though. Ok for scratching or other "platter intensive tricks" they won't cut it, but if you do plain mixing, beltdrives can be used to make good mixes, with a little more effort. Ok the torque isn't that great, you'll just have to handle it more carefully (with feather hands ). The pitch isn't accurate/constant. So what? Ever heard of pitch riding?

I've learned to spin on beltdrives, and seriously I can say it helped me a lot. I've learned to pitch ride with beltdrives, and altough you don't need to do that as much on DD's, it comes in handy sometime (records without steady BPM for instance). I also learned to handle my records more carefully, even with warped records it's perfectly possible to spin normally.

Don't get me wrong, I'll be the last to say that beltdrives are better than direct drives. But saying that you can't do sh*t with beltdrives is utter nonsense. With all respect, but sometimes I feel like guys that started on good TT's (and with that I mean the upper range of DD's, Technics, Vestax, good Numarks and Gemini's, ...) are a bit spoiled. Imho you only learn the real value of good gear when you used crappy stuff before... But that's only my opinion.

Posted by DJTJ on Apr-09-2002 00:16:

Agreed, I learned to mix on (don't laugh) Soundlab DLP-1600's (OK, laugh if you want), and I believe that if i can spin on those (and I did, very well, I made a very well received mix CD) then you can mix on anything. Of course it was a cakewalk to move up to Technics when I finally managed to afford them!

Posted by Scottaculous on Apr-09-2002 05:55:

My first TTs are technics 1210 with Vestax 275a mixer and cmx-3000 cd player.

I'm spoiled. Sue me. ;-)