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NOOB here, is it koshur to use a 180bpm tune on a 144bpm set?

since 180bpm is 1.25 times 144bpm every 4th beat will match...is this cool?

use ur ears... if it sounds good... use it u twit

never have i heard the word koshur used like that before... i had to look it up on wikipedia because...




well, nevermind

kosher? I had to think about that one too for a minute


but yup what he said though, if it sounds good, then its good.

I'm guessing in most cases this will not sound good.

At all.

no, no its not. You are only allowed to use songs within 4.274 bpm of each other. This was decided at the last meeting of the World DJing Council held in Molvania last August.

^ Haha, Molvania.

uh I thought that meeting was in Latvia? :-/

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Originally posted by BOOsTER uh I thought that meeting was in Latvia? :-/

Latvia was in February last year, this happened at the august meeting, jeez keep up

What does a 180 BPM record even sound like? I can't say I have ever come across any... ???

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter Latvia was in February last year, this happened at the august meeting, jeez keep up

I'm sorry...i hope it can be forgiven...

I have good reasons!!!

+4/-4% is a good guide, but if sounds good outside of that range, go crazy.

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Originally posted by alefort What does a 180 BPM record even sound like? I can't say I have ever come across any... ???

The entire Drum & Bass genre?

I wouldn't stray too far past 4% myself. Even with Master Tempo things get kind of shaky in the sound, and the crowd will notice the difference...

I saw richie hawkin at Space one time (the one in miami) and he was using Serato. That thing was crazy! It was going about a million BPM but it sounded dope mixed in with another track.

Re: NOOB here, is it koshur to use a 180bpm tune on a 144bpm set?

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Originally posted by blinky13 180bpm

Jesus Christ that's fast. Be careful, your head might explode.

Speedcore = 400++ bpm

THATS fast

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Originally posted by sEpH Speedcore = 400++ bpm THATS fast

can you even hear the beats at 400+ bpm? or is it just so fast that it sounds all washed in together

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Originally posted by JD8180 can you even hear the beats at 400+ bpm? or is it just so fast that it sounds all washed in together

You can hear them, but you probably don't want to!

The thing is, as music gets faster the fractions of beats get less frequently used... a lot of hardcore (around 180bpm ish) rarely uses semiquavers, everything is either on the beat or off beat (i.e. in quavers).

Speedcore rarely has any sounds even off beat. So you could argue that every time you lose a level of rhythmical complexity, the track could actually be classed as being half the tempo with kicks occuring twice as often, i.e. a 400bpm tune is actually a 100bpm tune with a kick on every semiquaver

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter Latvia was in February last year, this happened at the august meeting, jeez keep up

Damn, they keep changing the rules! I'm tired of having to adjust every time!

You mean actually keeping it at that tempo or slowing it down?

I can't see how it would sound good to be honest...

Simple rule, you can use what ever you like as long as it connects with the people you are playing to and it works. If it sounds good do it.

Occasionally you do get tracks that sound pretty crap at the speed they are writen at but come to life at a different speed altogether. Can't remember one off hand but there are a few.

Just so you know, be careful if you take my advice as I am considered a renegade by the World DJing council and there is currently a price on my head. Decided in the Molvanian meeting...

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Fledz You mean actually keeping it at that tempo or slowing it down? I can't see how it would sound good to be honest...

you can match on every second...or every fourth beat

let's say an example on a normal track

you have this hiphop tune which is at 65bpm...
and you wanna mix this house tune at 130bpm into it...

65 * 2 = 130...so if you match on every second beat it will sound matched...


the same thing works with the speedcore tracks...if they are your current bpm *2 or *4 etc you can match that :-)

No I wasn't talking about the mixing. I was talking more about slowing that tune down so much that it just didn't fit.

Sure with Ableton and the functions on a CDJ you can reduce the tempo without affecting the pitch much, but it will still sound out of place.

Then again, who knows. A certain track might sound decent.

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Originally posted by Fledz No I wasn't talking about the mixing. I was talking more about slowing that tune down so much that it just didn't fit. Sure with Ableton and the functions on a CDJ you can reduce the tempo without affecting the pitch much, but it will still sound out of place. Then again, who knows. A certain track might sound decent.

in the example I showed you you wouldn't touch the pitch at all...just count....


you could match a 400bpm track with a 100bpm track without touching the pitch...

But would it sound good? Surely the melodies would clash?

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