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Two Myths About Supporting the Troops!

Something to think about :

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Supporting the Troops Because They Protect Us: Two Big Lies I was watching the Ultimate Fighter on Spike TV the other night, mostly because my body produces excess testosterone, and at one point during the program the fighters took magic markers and started writing things all over the walls of the house in which they lived. At one point someone wrote �We Support the Troops.� Then that person started mentioning how the fighters in the UFC support the troops who are out there fighting to �protect our freedom�. I laughed. Well, just as this nice, well-meaning person commented on how he supports the troops, I, as I often do, spoke back to my TV set and said, �No, you don�t support the troops; you simply say and write on walls that you do!� I thought to myself that this person should be more accurate and simply say, �I write on walls inside my home that I support the troops and that is all that I do in the way of supporting them!� I think people should just come out and tell the truth. They should have bumper stickers and signs on their homes and little ribbons that say, �I don�t do anything to support the troops except wear this ribbon, hang this sign or bumper system or say the words, �I support the troops!�� Let�s face it, that well-meaning UFC fighter is not doing a damn thing to support the troops.

Much More here: http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=599

This coming from a very smart person who watches UFC.

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WTF does "supporting the troops" mean anyways? Anyone care to comment on that?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z WTF does "supporting the troops" mean anyways? Anyone care to comment on that?

i think it was johnson or nixon that coined the phrase

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z WTF does "supporting the troops" mean anyways? Anyone care to comment on that?

if it sincerely needs to be explained to you then wtf would be the point?

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Originally posted by ResonantDrag i think it was johnson or nixon that coined the phrase

Nice.

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Originally posted by Q5echo if it sincerely needs to be explained to you then wtf would be the point?

Theres plenty of possible meanings. Why don't you operationalize it so we can have a common ground to stand on? Your excuse is nothing but an easy cop out.

"If you don't support the war, you don't the troops!"
"You can't support the troops and not support the mission!"

These two lines are a load of bollocks...nuff said...

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Originally posted by Spirit5 "If you don't support the war, you don't the troops!" "You can't support the troops and not support the mission!" These two lines are a load of bollocks...

Well what exactly are you supporting then by alienating yourself from the cause, or more like agenda, they're implementing? It doesn't matter if they're just "taking orders" or are unaware of why exactly they're there. If you're going to join a brainwashing institution like the army you're kind of responsible for that decision and everything that follows from it. Military personel are pawns of the goverment, their identity as soldiers that is. So what does "supporting the troops" mean to you?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well what exactly are you supporting then by alienating yourself from the cause, or more like agenda, they're implementing? It doesn't matter if they're just "taking orders" or are unaware of why exactly they're there. If you're going to join a brainwashing institution like the army you're kind of responsible for that decision and everything that follows from it. Military personel are pawns of the goverment, their identity as soldiers that is. So what does "supporting the troops" mean to you?

I am more talking about Bushies, or people who blindly support him and whatever he does. People who take orders from Bush or soldiers who do. I don't hear it as often, but you still hear Cheney talk about it and probably from those who still support the war (which is probably fewer and fewer nowadays, most polls show more than half of the American people are against it).

To me, supporting the troops means looking out for their best interests (including giving them proper medical care, armor, pay etc, all of which isn't being done) and only putting them in places where they are absolutely needed. War should be a last resort, and our military is being stretched too thin. The war was rushed, without any foresight, not properly planning, and should have never happend in the first place. So a smaller military presence in Iraq, used for security purposes, less in the line of fire, should be our goal. So I would support a phased withdraw. At the rate we are going in Iraq, we will be in their forever and loose more troops, while Sadr builds up his support (he seems to have more support right now than the Iraqi government) and his army of course...and chase us out, which they are doing....

Supporting the troops means that even if you do not agree with the war they are involved in you don't stab them in the back when they are in the warzone and when they come home you don't call them baby killers and other bullshit like the propaganda sucking hippies did during Vietnam.

A person in the American Armed Forces is a professional soldier. They have no choice but to be deployed to a war zone if their Commander in Chief sends them there. Its no different than if your boss at McDonalds tells you to go clean the grease fryer. Nobody wants to do that, but if they get ordered to they certainly don't need to hear a bunch of shit from the chicken shit peanut gallery back here in the States, 99% of which would not have the stones to stand up and fight even if the continental US was being invaded.

Supporting the troops can be as much as sending them care packages or as little as thanking a soldier you see for keeping you safe.

And no matter what you well meaning hippies think, cutting their funding and pulling the troops out before their job is done is not supporting the troops. If you leave before the job is done you can bet your ass you will be back again, putting more troops in harms way. If we had finished the job back in 1991 there wouldn't be any American soldiers in Iraq today.

how does that person know that the ufc fighter is not doing more than just writing on the wall?

I support the troops by being paid to help develop new weapons and technologies for them to more effectively slaughter their foes in combat. That's where my support ends, but I imagine it's far more useful than the "moral support" of 100,000,000 people who are all talk and no action.

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Originally posted by Arbiter I support the troops by being paid to help develop new weapons and technologies for them to more effectively slaughter their foes in combat. That's where my support ends, but I imagine it's far more useful than the "moral support" of 100,000,000 people who are all talk and no action.

You mind lending me some of those weapons so I can cap some of those mother******s when they get back? You know, the ones torturing and raping Iraqi women and children, and indiscriminately "slaughtering their foes" (like little babies with depleted uranium).

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Originally posted by XaNaX Supporting the troops means that even if you do not agree with the war they are involved in you don't stab them in the back when they are in the warzone and when they come home you don't call them baby killers and other bullshit like the propaganda sucking hippies did during Vietnam. A person in the American Armed Forces is a professional soldier. They have no choice but to be deployed to a war zone if their Commander in Chief sends them there. Its no different than if your boss at McDonalds tells you to go clean the grease fryer. Nobody wants to do that, but if they get ordered to they certainly don't need to hear a bunch of shit from the chicken shit peanut gallery back here in the States, 99% of which would not have the stones to stand up and fight even if the continental US was being invaded. Supporting the troops can be as much as sending them care packages or as little as thanking a soldier you see for keeping you safe. And no matter what you well meaning hippies think, cutting their funding and pulling the troops out before their job is done is not supporting the troops. If you leave before the job is done you can bet your ass you will be back again, putting more troops in harms way. If we had finished the job back in 1991 there wouldn't be any American soldiers in Iraq today.

Yeah, hippies are pussies for using just words. I say go all the way. Line up these ******s and shoot them in the head one by one. Ofcourse before we do that, we're going to need to seperate the asshole war criminals from the ones who're actually decent ppl in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Supporting the troops means that even if you do not agree with the war they are involved in you don't stab them in the back when they are in the warzone and when they come home you don't call them baby killers and other bullshit like the propaganda sucking hippies did during Vietnam. A person in the American Armed Forces is a professional soldier. They have no choice but to be deployed to a war zone if their Commander in Chief sends them there. Its no different than if your boss at McDonalds tells you to go clean the grease fryer. Nobody wants to do that, but if they get ordered to they certainly don't need to hear a bunch of shit from the chicken shit peanut gallery back here in the States, 99% of which would not have the stones to stand up and fight even if the continental US was being invaded. Supporting the troops can be as much as sending them care packages or as little as thanking a soldier you see for keeping you safe. And no matter what you well meaning hippies think, cutting their funding and pulling the troops out before their job is done is not supporting the troops. If you leave before the job is done you can bet your ass you will be back again, putting more troops in harms way. If we had finished the job back in 1991 there wouldn't be any American soldiers in Iraq today.

LOL, what great "American job" are you on about? The only job America owes towards Iraq is rebuilding the whole country with a stable... FREE... (Islamic or not... whatever the people want) government and get the troops back home as soon as possible. Again, your going to have to fund your own troops, possibly even deploy some more since your also going to rebuild the country now that we've discovered the ....ahem... Weapons of Mass Destructions.

Oh and I choose to support the troops because I value human life.

Edit: Oh yeah the shia and sunni/insurgents/hyper muslim terrorists.. conflict?? Stablizing that shouldn't be a problem since democracy always wins... right?

I never realized how in-your-face supporting the troops had to be. I thought it was more of a laid back known variable... of course we support the people who risk their lives to defend us.

Last I checked, supporting the troops was not synonymous with supporting greedy politicians.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I never realized how in-your-face supporting the troops had to be. I thought it was more of a laid back known variable... of course we support the people who risk their lives to defend us.

Yeah, that's the fucking problem here. What they're donig in Iraq right now is pretty fucking far from that.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Last I checked, supporting the troops was not synonymous with supporting greedy politicians.

+1

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Originally posted by digitul punk LOL, what great "American job" are you on about? The only job America owes towards Iraq is rebuilding the whole country with a stable... FREE... (Islamic or not... whatever the people want) government and get the troops back home as soon as possible. Again, your going to have to fund your own troops, possibly even deploy some more since your also going to rebuild the country now that we've discovered the ....ahem... Weapons of Mass Destructions. Oh and I choose to support the troops because I value human life. Edit: Oh yeah the shia and sunni/insurgents/hyper muslim terrorists.. conflict?? Stablizing that shouldn't be a problem since democracy always wins... right?

Lay off the crack and read my post correctly. What I said was that being a soldier is a job. Just like being a doctor or lawyer. So don't shit on the troops because they are ordered to go to Iraq just because you don't agree with the war.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Lay off the crack and read my post correctly. What I said was that being a soldier is a job. Just like being a doctor or lawyer. So don't shit on the troops because they are ordered to go to Iraq just because you don't agree with the war.

LOL, ok. Then by that logic, do you "support the lawyers" or "support the doctors" too?

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Originally posted by XaNaX Lay off the crack and read my post correctly. What I said was that being a soldier is a job. Just like being a doctor or lawyer. So don't shit on the troops because they are ordered to go to Iraq just because you don't agree with the war.

Eh... don't shit on the troops because they are killing hundreds of Iraqis on a daily basis??

You called me a crackhead genius but you missed the very point of the post. America made the biggest mistake by going into Iraq and "supporting the troops" is a merely a slogan to make the general populace feel better because they blew millions of dollars of tax payer money on a witch hunt.

Also the fact that you think that America is fighting for FREEDOM in Iraq is fucking absurd! Again, that's probably why Fox was set up. America was hunting Osama, remember 9/11? The twin towers?? Yeah....

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, ok. Then by that logic, do you "support the lawyers" or "support the doctors" too?

No, because they don't have liberals waiting for them at home when they get off work to call them child killers or war criminals.

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Originally posted by digitul punk Eh... don't shit on the troops because they are killing hundreds of Iraqis on a daily basis?? You called me a crackhead genius but you missed the very point of the post. America made the biggest mistake by going into Iraq and "supporting the troops" is a merely a slogan to make the general populace feel better because they blew millions of dollars of tax payer money on a witch hunt. Also the fact that you think that America is fighting for FREEDOM in Iraq is fucking absurd! Again, that's probably why Fox was set up. America was hunting Osama, remember 9/11? The twin towers?? Yeah....

Whatever. You say they are killing Iraqis, I say they are killing terrorists.

Either way, they are fighting so that terrorist lovers like you and shaolin and hardcore can get on this board and post their terrorist loving propaganda. The least you can do is support the TROOPS THEMSELVES even if you don't agree with their mission. If you don't agree with their mission then it is YOUR job on election day to put in office people who will withdraw them. Its nice that you have the freedom to do that, isn't it. Freedom that the people of Iraq didn't have before the invasion.

Now what you have over there are terrorists and extremists trying to destabilize the country and use public opinion at home to force an American withdrawal. At which point they can take over and do whatever they want in Iraq.

I do agree that we never should have gone into Iraq. We as Americans tend to try and spread freedom and justice to people who do not value such things. We serve as the world's policemen, every country in the world talks shit about us until they get invaded and then its 'get the Americans in here to bail us out'. But now we are in Iraq and thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died trying to make that country free. Now is not the time to quit before the job is done.

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