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*Updated* Shooting in Virginia school

Update: Cho Seung-Hui appearantley within legal rights to purchase guns.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/gun.laws/index.html

Update: For any one interested, if you are a member of facebook, here are a couple of popular groups dedicated to the incident.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2310251833
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2312751245
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2307464039
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2306674247

Update: Police have released a photo of the person involved.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vt...ting/index.html

Absolutely horrendous. Some jackass went on a shooting spree and killed 30 people in the school.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vt...ting/index.html

i know ill get flamed, but this is why constitutions that grant inalienable rights are a very bad thing.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i know ill get flamed, but this is why constitutions that grant inalienable rights are a very bad thing.

Blame the gun right? A government that knows its population is armed is less likely to be tyrannical. Over 200 years of the same democracy proves that.

The real blame should go to the shooter. You don't think a guy who has the resolve to kill 33 people wouldn't be able to find a weapon?

And what kind of school doesn't cancel classes when a shooting occurs on campus?

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Originally posted by Krypton Blame the gun right? A government that knows its population is armed is less likely to be tyrannical. Over 200 years of the same democracy proves that.

what a load of crap. there are plenty of democracies around the world that are not underpinned by massive gun ownership. this is a typical fallacy repeated by pro gun people. are you going to argue you have a greater democracy than either england or australia for instance? haha!!

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Originally posted by Krypton The real blame should go to the shooter. You don't think a guy who has the resolve to kill 33 people wouldn't be able to find a weapon?

irrelevent. the simple fact is america has far more gun-related homicides and mass killings than any other advanced liberal democracy. possibly even more than all those liberal democracies combined. and yes, ready access to firearms is the number one reason for that.

im not arguing for gun control. america is too far gone for that to have any impact. merely stating that inalienable rights to firearms as allowed under the constitution has been the central problem in modern times in regards to unnecessary firearm related deaths.

you dont need a constitution of this sort to have effective democracy. guns also do nothing to protect that democracy. the idea that the US government would be "held at bay" by a militia of sorts is ridiculous.

a guy like this would have killed one way or another, at a more or less effecient way or another, with or without firearms.

to place this in a some sort of political construct is natural, but to advocate the revoking of unalienable rights is more destructive than constructive.

^^ but im not advocating the repealing of any laws, inalienable or otherwise. just pointing out where i think the blame lies.

but i disagree regarding the efficiency comment. guns are obviously the most efficient and readily available tool of mass murder, especially in the US.

man i love australia

Try killing 33 people with a knife..... exactly.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i know ill get flamed, but this is why constitutions that grant inalienable rights are a very bad thing.

Slaps PKC silly .

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Slaps PKC silly .

haha! from memory i think this topic was the beginning of a lovely series of disagreements between you and i!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN haha! from memory i think this topic was the beginning of a lovely series of disagreements between you and i!

LOL, indeed .

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN but i disagree regarding the efficiency comment. guns are obviously the most efficient and readily available tool of mass murder, especially in the US. man i love australia

once, one guy here killed 168 people with a truck bomb. guns are efficient, so are mass murderers.

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Originally posted by Q5echo once, one guy here killed 168 people with a truck bomb. guns are efficient, so are mass murderers.

Yeah, the CIA are pretty efficient when it comes to mass murder.

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Originally posted by digitul punk Try killing 33 people with a knife..... exactly.

last month a German court gave seven years to a 17 year old kid on 33 counts of attempted manslaughter when he went on a rampage with a knife. what do you mean exactly?

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Originally posted by Q5echo once, one guy here killed 168 people with a truck bomb. guns are efficient, so are mass murderers.

last time i checked regulations changed to more adequately keep track of said chemicals so that this was less likely to happen again. the same does not happen with firearms.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yeah, the CIA are pretty efficient when it comes to mass murder.

you are so far gone it's become funny now.

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Originally posted by Q5echo last month a German court gave seven years to a 17 year old kid on 33 counts of attempted manslaughter when he went on a rampage with a knife. what do you mean exactly?

perhaps you would be so nice as to tell us the difference between murder and attempted manslaughter?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yeah, the CIA are pretty efficient when it comes to mass murder.

please tell me youre fucking joking mate

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN last time i checked regulations changed to more adequately keep track of said chemicals so that this was less likely to happen again. the same does not happen with firearms.

again, it's not the means that are, or sould be, in question here.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN perhaps you would be so nice as to tell us the difference between murder and attempted manslaughter?

one does has more loss than the other, but that shouldn't marginalize the emotional and physical trauma incurred by both.

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Originally posted by Q5echo again, it's not the means that are, or sould be, in question here.

well, what should we be questioning?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN please tell me youre fucking joking mate

LOL , I was repsonding to a random comment not exactly related to the read title with another random comment not exactly related to the thread title. But the CIA are mass murdered. I'll give you one INDEBATABLE example, Deaths squads in Nicaragua.

Q.E.D

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Originally posted by Q5echo one does has more loss than the other, but that shouldn't marginalize the emotional and physical trauma incurred by both.

precisely. one is a far more effective killer than the other, hence putting your original comment

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a guy like this would have killed one way or another, at a more or less effecient way or another, with or without firearms.

into context.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i know ill get flamed, but this is why constitutions that grant inalienable rights are a very bad thing.

For how many years have you been a member of Illuminati again? First, the 9/11 denials, now the human rights and constitution is too much ... man you are more dangerous than the Islamic radicals are.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well, what should we be questioning?

something so random and tragic as this is very difficult reconcile with any one causation. and in the absence of any real facts in this other than a body count i can't say yet. what i've said earlier though i still stand by.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium For how many years have you been a member of Illuminati again? First, the 9/11 denials, now the human rights and constitution is too much ... man you are more dangerous than the Islamic radicals are.

LOL, I almost fell out my chair .

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Originally posted by Magnetonium For how many years have you been a member of Illuminati again? First, the 9/11 denials, now the human rights and constitution is too much ... man you are more dangerous than the Islamic radicals are.

there are plenty of flourishing democracies around the world that dont have personal rights reflected in an antiquated document that is incredibly difficult to keep modernised. so stop parading your ignorance.

and i would say democracy & freedom function far better in australia than they do in the US. gee, where's our patriot act?

so keep up the non sequitur arguments there mate.

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