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Do you feel all Japaneso'd at work?

Ok..was talking to a friend recently and we kinda agreed that all jobs here in Toronto feel like they apply Japanese work ethics

Do you find that you gotta save face...not rock the boat...remain quiet and don't offer your views/opinions or suggestions. Essentually bite your lip more than usual?

Do you feel you gotta suck up a little more than usual...like get coffee's or offer to get it...just so that your boss or co-workers can get along better with you?

Do you find that even though your paid from said start time to said end time...your putting in a lot of overtime?

Do you feel underpaid for your skills?

Do you see people less deserving...getting promotions and the only reason why they got it is because they schmoozed their way into it?

Do you feel like your job drains you or stresses you out by the end of the day?

Does it bum you that there is no after hours work camaraderie? No company baseball/hockey games to play or go to?

What do you think? Agree or Disagree? And...what can we do to make things more positive in our work environment???

Ugh. Yes.

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes and not particularly, no.

Yeah most definitely, but that's the world of the corporate hierarchy, and capitalistic monarchy. What can you do about it? That's a good question. I'd always wondered if it would change in the next few years. Most of the old dinosaurs running companies nowadays will be in retirement in 10-15 years. However, the newer generation of entrants, those people of our age, aren't really learning to behave any differently. This site may have alot of people who are far more empathetic to those difficulties, but are far from being representative of MOST younger people comming into corporate worlds today. The sudden shift from school to work, and the inflow of funds that carries with it, only bring out the inherent greed in people. Thare are a few companies in TO that practice a totally different agenda, but they are very small in retrospect, and even though they deliver great products and services, most big players wouldn't consider their business models to be flexible enough to accomodate new ideas.

Re: Do you feel all Japaneso'd at work?

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Originally posted by b4k-oz Do you see people less deserving...getting promotions and the only reason why they got it is because they schmoozed their way into it?

If anyone wants to move up in their work place, they have to be outgoing, energetic and always ready to help type....


If your one who just minds his/her own business only and is just about time in and time out type time period @ work, than good luck,because your manager will just see you as an employee who wants to work there because they give there workers a bi-weekly cheque.Not someone who wants to move up the ladder.

Regardless of how bad it is @ work, always have that happy face with your manager and make him or her feel that you love every single second of it( Trust me it will work )

If you think this is kissing ass. ( Hello if one day when you move up the ladder and become a manager you will see how many people will kiss your ass just to be in your good books ) Good Luck.

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Originally posted by Provocative_boi If anyone wants to move up in their work place, they have to be outgoing, energetic and always ready to help type.... If your one who just minds his/her own business only and is just about time in and time out type time period @ work, than good luck,because your manager will just see you as an employee who wants to work there because they give there workers a bi-weekly cheque.Not someone who wants to move up the ladder. Regardless of how bad it is @ work, always have that happy face with your manager and make him or her feel that you love every single second of it( Trust me it will work ) If you think this is kissing ass. ( Hello if one day when you move up the ladder and become a manager you will see how many people will kiss your ass just to be in your good books ) Good Luck.

Hey...did you ever give the thought that some ppl smile, are energetic and eager to help...and yet they are still by-passed? Food for thought no?

And I don't know about others..but my thought about an ass kisser is someone who is behind the manager...doing special favours and snitching for them. In my books, those aren't admirable traits..and I'd hate to be a friend of someone like that.

Japanese work tactics also means that come 5pm..the one that leaves on time..is seen as a less deserving employee and his/her job often brings on a type of restricted or limited work assignments. In some cases...the idea of constructive dismissal, comes into play.

The real test..is how we shall overcome these tactics at work now, without jeapardizing our own personal work ethics.

lol. at Japanese work ethics.

that's absurd.

it's not Japanese work ethics and if you think they are, you are very blind to the world.

these are American work ethics (a la Office Space).

Japanese people should not be brought into this conversation.

oh and a even bigger WTF goes to Japanese work tactics! what is this war?

If you don't like where you are working and what you are doing, try and change your situation.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess lol. at Japanese work ethics. that's absurd. it's not Japanese work ethics and if you think they are, you are very blind to the world. these are American work ethics (a la Office Space). Japanese people should not be brought into this conversation. oh and a even bigger WTF goes to Japanese work tactics! what is this war? If you don't like where you are working and what you are doing, try and change your situation.

WOW...did someone drop something in your cornflakes today?

This thread was a topic for discussion. You were asked if u agree or disagree. Clearly you disagree but there's no need for such a negative and judgemental reply. Take a chill pill girl...cuz your reply does not sound like the mature and respectful StereoPrincess that we all know and love

wtf japanese work ethics hahahah thats not it at all.

One of our clients is Japanese and its a pain in the ass, manny from my office leave for Japan for a year or more to work there and they always have some fucked up stories about how they work!

Starting with the 49 hours minimum work week.

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Originally posted by b4k-oz And I don't know about others..but my thought about an ass kisser is someone who is behind the manager...doing special favours and snitching for them. In my books, those aren't admirable traits..and I'd hate to be a friend of someone like that.

I agree with your definition of an ass kisser.....


and its something even i dont like to do personally BUT , in all the companies that i have worked for so far only people who got somewhere in the organization were the cocky ones and the ones who knew when and how to kiss some serious ass.

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Originally posted by malek wtf japanese work ethics hahahah thats not it at all. One of our clients is Japanese and its a pain in the ass, manny from my office leave for Japan for a year or more to work there and they always have some fucked up stories about how they work! Starting with the 49 hours minimum work week.

oh c'mon malek..share some stories. I've never worked in japan...but it was an interesting conversation the other day..and now I'm curious to know all about it.

- A japanese will never say NO, never ever, He will always say flat out YES I can do it without hesitation, even if its hard or complicated. The worst is when asked if he understands the task he will say YES, even if he doesn't. For someone new in Japan, its a big drama and hard to understand. So it all becomes a non-verbal game where you have to check non-verbal signs to see if a person is comfortable or not with the things asked.

-If he says " I am not sure ", then you have asked something completely impossible to do

-A work week is minimum 49 hours, but usualy its in the mid 50s to 60 hours, every day of the week has a different schedule, some days longer than others.

-If you do a mistake, even the most insignificant one, be prepared to apologize a 100 times and write a letter of excuse, that letter should also cover what you will do in order not to repeat that error (you will be fucked if you do it again because you were supposed to remedy to it).

-You never look Japanese in the eyes, its like you are confronting them.

-If two parties have a meeting, if one party gives an offer to the other, the recieving party could stay silent for long minutes before saying anything about it ( they are thinking ). In the west this could be seen as a cold reception of the offer ( price asked too high? something else is wrong? etc).

If something else comes up I will post about it

Since I am essentually an American in Canada...I don't think that Canada applies American work ethics. But I'm curious to know what Canadians think are American work ethics?

Anyone care to share?

Who's taken some Uni courses on this..and what's the general consensus?

I am not aware of Canadian specific work ethic, in uni the books were mostly written by americans, we also had French theories.

Malek, you forgot about mandatory karaoke nights. It builds 'team spirit'

Sounds like someone is complaining that they have to work hard, produce results and get things done...

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Sounds like someone is complaining that they have to work hard, produce results and get things done...

LOL rabbitjoker...sounds like someone is coming to the rescue of someone close to them. tsk tsk tsk



Oh wow...karaoke...now thats some fun stuff to be in after work.

The Corporation that I had worked for a few years back had spring and summer baseball games against other corporations. That was really fun cuz we followed up with pub food and jokes. Ah...good times, good times

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Originally posted by b4k-oz LOL rabbitjoker...sounds like someone is coming to the rescue of someone close to them. tsk tsk tsk

You write the above and then have the gall to send me a PM to re-imply that I am "rescuing" someone with my post in this thread?

No offense, but that is totally bizarre behavior. Way to weird someone out. Yikes.

Let's get a few things clear:

1) Nobody on TA would ever need rescuing from the likes of you.

2) I posted my reply after reading your first post in this thread (and my reply was directed specifically at you, based only on your first post [nothing after]).

3) Your first post comes across as a complaint about competitive work environments (after all you and your friend agreed to the statements in your first post).

Hells yeah!

I would have to disagree that Canadian's adopt a "Japanese Work Ethic".

For me its simple and Malek explained it well. Japanese ppl work damn hard and never question authority. Anyone who has worked here knows that us Canadians LOVE TO COMPLAIN. Where I work people complain so much about such little things that you'd think they thought it was their job.

Sometimes I wish we had better work ethic. Some people just need to STFU and get their work done.

Either way this discussion is a very ambigous and is riddled with subtle stereotypes. The reality is that YOU make you own work environment by having a positive attitude. Plus every company has different values and expected work ethics and its up to you to adhere to the culture of the compnay you work for in order to succeed.

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Originally posted by b4k-oz WOW...did someone drop something in your cornflakes today? This thread was a topic for discussion. You were asked if u agree or disagree. Clearly you disagree but there's no need for such a negative and judgemental reply. Take a chill pill girl...cuz your reply does not sound like the mature and respectful StereoPrincess that we all know and love

what? i'm judgemental? you are the one putting down a whole race.

lol.

come on now.

my reponse wasn't meant to be mean or pissy, just a wake up call.

if you have a topic of discussion, all aspects of that topic can be discussed, even the title.

oh, and one thing i do know about american work enviroments.

They get no fucking holidays!!!

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Originally posted by b4k-oz LOL rabbitjoker...sounds like someone is coming to the rescue of someone close to them. tsk tsk tsk

OMG. you are quite a character.

what does his response have to do with mine? it's not even remotely on the same subject! lol.




i stick with my opinion. it's wrong to call these Japanese work ethics or tactics, and it's up to the individual to get into a situations where they are happy in what they do for a living. from what i have seen and where i have worked (in canada), it's the opposite to what you describe: everyone is lazy, everyone tries to screw the system by doing th least work possible, everyone tries to squeeze out the most out of breaks, and everyone works for the next holiday.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess OMG. you are quite a character. what does his response have to do with mine? it's not even remotely on the same subject! lol. i stick with my opinion. it's wrong to call these Japanese work ethics or tactics, and it's up to the individual to get into a situations where they are happy in what they do for a living. from what i have seen and where i have worked (in canada), it's the opposite to what you describe: everyone is lazy, everyone tries to screw the system by doing th least work possible, everyone tries to squeeze out the most out of breaks, and everyone works for the next holiday.

and post on TA during work hours!

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Originally posted by Time2Burn I would have to disagree that Canadian's adopt a "Japanese Work Ethic". For me its simple and Malek explained it well. Japanese ppl work damn hard and never question authority. Anyone who has worked here knows that us Canadians LOVE TO COMPLAIN. Where I work people complain so much about such little things that you'd think they thought it was their job. Sometimes I wish we had better work ethic. Some people just need to STFU and get their work done. Either way this discussion is a very ambigous and is riddled with subtle stereotypes. The reality is that YOU make you own work environment by having a positive attitude. Plus every company has different values and expected work ethics and its up to you to adhere to the culture of the compnay you work for in order to succeed.

NOpe...no stereotype was intended. It was pretty much an agree or disagree and what do u think and what positive suggestions can we offer out there...for a happy work environment. That's about it.

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