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Software editors for Roland JP 8000/8080?

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Originally posted by mysticalninja I didn't mean it like it's a special term, I just meant it's a term, not a program or something. I defiatly would want to use FX teleport because I can't stand having to reload patches, thats why my jp8000 gets so neglected. =-( Really wish Rekon would make a vst editor for it.

Speaking of this, are there any software editors for the Roland JP 8000/8080 Synths? I use the Virus Sounddiver for my Virus B exclusively and never touch the knobs on the actual synth, but for my JP 8080, I do all my editing directly on the synth.

In seeing pictures of people's studios both here and on other sites I recall seeing some people with their JP's mounted where it wouldn't be easy to edit patches directly on the front panel, so I figure that they might be using some type of software editors for the JP.

I have looked into it in the past, and the only editor I could find that supported it was Unisyn from MOTU, which I think is going to be discontinued and MidiQuest which seemed to not be well received by a lot of people.

So they question stands: is anyone out there using something to edit patches on their JP series using software?

Why would u want to use software for that ?

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Originally posted by Subtle Why would u want to use software for that ?

Exactly, jp8000 has all the important functions assigned to controllers. Or do you want a patch library tool?

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Originally posted by dj_palm so i can easily backup presets and settings and load presets in a better way than remembering what bank number they are on.

The Sounddiver takes care of patch savings and loadings, and a numerous of things i dont know.

However, it would be nice to have something that makes the sequencer load the patch used on the channel automaticly when opening the project.

Still waitin for one.

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Originally posted by Subtle Why would u want to use software for that ?

I like the way that Sounddiver Virus presents nearly all the synth's parameters in a single screen so I do not have to go through submenus on the synth. Makes it a bit easier to work with, plus I don't have to have the synth within arms reach to edit a patch. I thought it'd be nice to have something similar for the JP, that's all. Just thought it'd be a "nice to have", not a "must have".

On the JP its not as big of a deal as *most* of the parameters are available on the panel.

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Originally posted by dj_palm does sounddiver also work with others than virus? didnt know that. hmm

yes it works for nearly every synthesizer out there, not kidding.

If anyone finds an already made sounddriver thingy for jp8000/8080 tell.

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Originally posted by Subtle yes it works for nearly every synthesizer out there, not kidding.

I just wish Sounddiver was still available for PC.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja If anyone finds an already made sounddriver thingy for jp8000/8080 tell.

You dont make anything, you just launch the sounddiver and choose the JP and ur set to go.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja If anyone finds an already made sounddriver thingy for jp8000/8080 tell.

The full SoundDiver has "Adaptions" for the Roland JP-8000/JP-8080, so you don't have to go find one. It's already there.

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Originally posted by dj_palm does sounddiver also work with others than virus? didnt know that. hmm

The Full version, ie: just "SoundDiver" can use just about any synth out there.

Basically, "SoundDiver Virus", that you can download from the Access site, or that came with your Virus, is a cut down OEM version that only works with an Access Virus.

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Originally posted by Eric J I just wish Sounddiver was still available for PC.

I think the last version, is 3.5.02.

It used to be made by Emagic (Who also made Logic), but since they got taken over by Apple (What, 3? 4? years ago) they stopped making pc versions.

Nigh on impossible to find a (legit) copy, as it's not really the kind of thing you would sell.

I've been using it for years, and well, let's just say that it is a dead product / abandonware; not sure about any serious competition...

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Originally posted by Subtle However, it would be nice to have something that makes the sequencer load the patch used on the channel automaticly when opening the project.

Learn how to use Bank and Program change messages. Insert at the start of your song, and voila, instant recall of patches via midi. Not that hard, and been doing it for ten years.

I'm looking for something like this too.. a nifty front end for the jp8080 that controls things via midi.. so this sound diver thing works a treat?

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Originally posted by Rusty O'Hara Learn how to use Bank and Program change messages. Insert at the start of your song, and voila, instant recall of patches via midi. Not that hard, and been doing it for ten years.

I thought so, and thats great, but what would be the most appropriate, would be if you use a patch and u edit it, it would load to the last settings automaticly like a VST.

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Originally posted by Aesthetic I'm looking for something like this too.. a nifty front end for the jp8080 that controls things via midi.. so this sound diver thing works a treat?

Yes.

But bear in mind, it is a stand alone application that requires taking control of your midi in/out ports.

Core usage is as a sound design assistance tool / patch/library manager.

AFAIK, not really anything that you can utilise internally in Cubase (or utilising the vst standard).

You could use patchs scripts / control panels. But I think the core issue is the ability to address parts of sysex from Cubase from a vst instrument. ie: just not possible in the vst framework.

So something like the "Pulse" or "Virus A/B/C" editor from Rekon, or ones I built in Reaktor to control, say my old Novation A-Station, can be used for CC messages.

Once you start getting heavily into Sysex, and thus chasing after the parameters that typically wouldn't be available on the front panel, you are hitting the limitations of the vst framework.

eg: AFAIK, The Rekon Virus editor, can do singles, but has no capabilities to work with multis. Not because of their app, but quite simply because you cannot address the Low and High page sysex data of the Virus via midi.

I could build something in Reaktor for the JP, or I could code a vst to do it, but seeing as my JP sits about 25cm's away, whats the point?

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Originally posted by Subtle I thought so, and thats great, but what would be the most appropriate, would be if you use a patch and u edit it, it would load to the last settings automaticly like a VST.

Like a vst? But we are not talking about vst's.

Either just store the patch, and reference that, or record whilst tweaking, then consolidate all the cc data into a preroll area before your track actually starts.

At the risk of sounding rude, and I really don't mean to, just program in the cc changes.

Only other thing I can think of would be having a vst that stores the cc settings, then sends these as a dump upon initiating the song. But why not just store the patch then?

do it, and then share it . =)

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Originally posted by Rusty O'Hara I could build something in Reaktor for the JP, or I could code a vst to do it, but seeing as my JP sits about 25cm's away, whats the point?

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Originally posted by Rusty O'Hara Like a vst? But we are not talking about vst's. Either just store the patch, and reference that, or record whilst tweaking, then consolidate all the cc data into a preroll area before your track actually starts. At the risk of sounding rude, and I really don't mean to, just program in the cc changes. Only other thing I can think of would be having a vst that stores the cc settings, then sends these as a dump upon initiating the song. But why not just store the patch then?

thanks thats great to know.. as for now, i`ll stick to recording the old fashioned way and store patches.

Just to mention that the JP8080 ADA that is supplied with Sound diver has serious short comings. Its unable to see the entire memory of a JP8080, including the patches on a memory card, and its biggest short fall is that you're unable to edit the JP8080 patches. I think the JP8000 ADA works fine though....

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I could build something in Reaktor for the JP, or I could code a vst to do it, but seeing as my JP sits about 25cm's away, whats the point?

I'll tell you why: You have lazy ppl like me who will pay you money for it. The sweet thing about the Rekon Pulse editor is it saves all the patches right in the vst.. so when you start the project it sends all the cc data to the pulse, I never store patches on the pulse since I got the vst..

You can put a bank change cc in the preroll? I'm kinda interested now.. can you tell me how to record a bank change? I usually change banks with JPLIB program.

anyone know anythinga bout getting a jp8000 repaired? I kinda had an accident last week setting it up on a flimsy keyboard stand.. didn't notice any damage until today it froze on me 3 times and now it will just freeze booting up sometimes =(

it might just be because today i was playing with some crazy huge downloaded midis with like 100 cc changes at the begining and they were getting sent to the jp by accident and messed up a bunch of my patches too lol..

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Originally posted by mysticalninja anyone know anythinga bout getting a jp8000 repaired?

Audio Electronics here in Plano, TX is one of the premier shops for repairing all types of gear, including Roland, all across the country. They are an authorized Roland repair shop and one of the best.

http://www.audioelectronics.com/

If you do not want to have to ship it to Texas, then I'd suggest just searching for "Roland repair california" on google. I'm sure there are quite a few Roland repair shops in California.

thanx man. also i just noticed it has a slight burnt electronics smell coming from it..

Yeah I'd definitely take it in ASAP. I have a very good friend that repairs electronics at Audio Electronics and he says that as time goes on it can become harder to get parts for older synths such as the JP series since Roland stopped manufacturing it a few years ago. However it should still be possible to repair it as long as the main circuit board isn't damaged in any way.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja thanx man. also i just noticed it has a slight burnt electronics smell coming from it..

i hope that is normal.

lol... I still don't really know how to save the banks of the JP and transfer them into the pc (so I could save the presets I've made) or move ones into the JP.
I would be glad of someone could guide me through that.

Thanks!

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