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Posted by beats and beeps on Apr-23-2007 01:20:

What if I dont want vista?

I want to buy a laptop, but I don't want vista on it, cuz i want it to work well with my regular pc, and all the music software.

All i have for an xp install disk is that purple one that dell computers come with.

Where can i get laptops without vista? In vancouver area if possible...


Posted by chach on Apr-23-2007 01:21:

get a mac


Posted by Yan on Apr-23-2007 01:22:

A Mac don't got Vista.



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Honestly, it's become a task seeing as how Microsoft is full-force with Vista now. Possibly if you construct your own laptop via some online company? Or maybe you can find an XP laptop on newegg.com?

Good luck!


Posted by Lilith on Apr-23-2007 01:23:

I was reading the other day Dell where offering machines with an option of XP or Vista.


Posted by beats and beeps on Apr-23-2007 01:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Yan
A Mac don't got Vista.



[/not serious reply]

Honestly, it's become a task seeing as how Microsoft is full-force with Vista now. Possibly if you construct your own laptop via some online company? Or maybe you can find an XP laptop on newegg.com?

Good luck!

well what about if i just bought one with vista then. does a dell install disk work on other computers?


Posted by Yan on Apr-23-2007 01:27:

quote:
Originally posted by beats and beeps
well what about if i just bought one with vista then. does a dell install disk work on other computers?


A downgrade (Dell-specific, too) might not fare so well. Did you talk with the guys in our Tech forum?


Posted by beats and beeps on Apr-23-2007 01:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Yan
A downgrade (Dell-specific, too) might not fare so well. Did you talk with the guys in our Tech forum?

since when do we have a tech forum?


Posted by La5eR on Apr-23-2007 01:44:

Vista is just MSFT's ploy to change market practices and to get new revenue since they have been lax in that area for some time since XP's release. Not to mention the drastic change in hardware thats required to run vista at current speeds xp can run at.

It requires you to upgrade your video card to a DX10 256MB model, 5GB HDD space, and 1GB PC400 or greater system memory. At current industry prices that will put a computer up around 900 bucks when it should be 500 or so with moores law factored in there.


Posted by Yan on Apr-23-2007 01:48:

quote:
Originally posted by beats and beeps
since when do we have a tech forum?


A few months now.


Posted by charon on Apr-23-2007 01:50:

Re: What if I dont want vista?

quote:
Originally posted by beats and beeps
I want to buy a laptop, but I don't want vista on it, cuz i want it to work well with my regular pc, and all the music software.

All i have for an xp install disk is that purple one that dell computers come with.

Where can i get laptops without vista? In vancouver area if possible...


piratebay

seriously..


Posted by Ivand on Apr-23-2007 03:48:

Re: Re: What if I dont want vista?

quote:
Originally posted by charon


seriously..


TA doesnt support filesharing


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Apr-23-2007 03:52:

Re: Re: Re: What if I dont want vista?

quote:
Originally posted by Ivand
TA doesnt support filesharing


The Pirate Bay does.


Posted by jupiterone on Apr-23-2007 03:57:

In comes swamper with Thor's Hammer of Bannation for posting such piracy!


Why not consider getting a mac?


Or buy online with the option of XP instead of Vista.


I've never been too fond of PC laptops, most if not all have fans on the bottom of the PC and usually when they overheat and say you have it on your lap or in a clogged area they'll shut down randomly.


I'm kinda a mac whore too so it's your choice really but I prefer mac for producing.


quote:
Vista is just MSFT's ploy to change market practices and to get new revenue since they have been lax in that area for some time since XP's release. Not to mention the drastic change in hardware thats required to run vista at current speeds xp can run at.

It requires you to upgrade your video card to a DX10 256MB model, 5GB HDD space, and 1GB PC400 or greater system memory. At current industry prices that will put a computer up around 900 bucks when it should be 500 or so with moores law factored in there.



900? He doesn't need a DX10 card to run Vista...He can run vista perfectly fine with parts for 500 dollars or less. Conroe just dropped to about 230-240 from 300. Memory isn't that expensive if you're on a budget. Hard drives are the cheapest thing ever, 250gb SATA will be around 75$ and the graphics cards are fairly cheap. Not to mention the 8600 DX10 cards are coming out if you want DX10 and will replace the 7600 prices. The 8800GTS 320mb costs about 260$ so the 8600's should easily be around 180-240.

That is no where near 900$ unlses you want to play at amazing levels of quality in games.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Apr-23-2007 04:08:

um, why not remove vista from your machine and install whatever you want?


Posted by Arteh on Apr-23-2007 05:15:

im not sure aple is on vista


Posted by SuspicionVandit on Apr-23-2007 05:41:

vista so gay. I worked computer retail at the launch and it made me feel guilty selling $400 benchmark tests



but yeah, like Lilith said, Dell will be reverting back to manufacturing computers with XP pre-installed.

R-Engineers have been on the mission to bring DX10 to the XP platform from Day0 and they are finally making progress (if gaming is your thing). And once 9.0L comes out, all your DX9c games will pwn as well (as long as you have your DX10 capable card)
It's only an emulation process from private hackers, so it will probably buggy, but hey, so are the official drivers for the vista platform.
My buddy has an 8800gts that worked properly with winXP. then he upgraded to Vista, did the clean install of the official vista drivers, fucked his world.
He had to get the 3rd party Vista Nvidia Omega Drivers, and they pwn!

tupac wouldn't use vista


Posted by igottaknow on Apr-23-2007 05:46:

XP off the net

just remember microsoft doesn't support file sharing


Posted by Sushipunk on Apr-23-2007 07:14:

quote:
Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
tupac wouldn't use vista



Posted by Fledz on Apr-23-2007 07:43:

quote:
Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
tupac wouldn't use vista



Great, that means we should all use it now.


Posted by pmoisse on Apr-23-2007 07:54:

Can't Dell only issue computers with XP until 2008 when Micro$oft stops issuing new licenses to the manufacturers?

Also (this is going to sound really stupid), can software that runs on XP run on something like Linux without too much hassle?

IE: too much hassle for a guy like me who needed to ask the question in the first place lol

I'm going to be wanting a 2nd laptop pretty soon, but don't want the bullshit that comes with vista. I want to run horsepower-intensive programs like Ableton and Traktor and don't want any hassles with them crashing (nevermind they're not store-bought copies either).


Posted by basd on Apr-23-2007 08:25:

quote:
Originally posted by pmoisse
Can't Dell only issue computers with XP until 2008 when Micro$oft stops issuing new licenses to the manufacturers?

Most probably, yes.

quote:
Also (this is going to sound really stupid), can software that runs on XP run on something like Linux without too much hassle?

There are virtual machines for that. Don't know whether you'd like to call use one of those 'a hassle'.


Posted by SuspicionVandit on Apr-23-2007 15:23:

quote:
Originally posted by pmoisse
Also (this is going to sound really stupid), can software that runs on XP run on something like Linux without too much hassle? I want to run horsepower-intensive programs like Ableton and Traktor and don't want any hassles with them crashing (nevermind they're not store-bought copies either).


well when I was junkying Linux a couple of months ago, the two biggest Windows Emus were a software called WinE (which was completely free) and (i believe it was called) Cedega, which has a $5 monthly subscription.
I got my games running "ok" through WinE, despite the fact that the linux ATI drivers were a piece of shit. I got Ableton and FlStudio to work after about 12 hours on each (gathering from about 10,000,000 different guides on the net). I never attempted Traktor. However, the audio was pretty fucked up since there were, too, no official drivers for my sound card.
Cedega is supposed to be better, i never used it. I think they also primarily aimed at perfecting the emulation of certain games.
not to mention the hard drive collapsed on itself, so i came back to XP.


Posted by Import on Apr-23-2007 15:28:

If your savy enough, or know someone who is, and dont want to uninstall vista, just install a duel bootup, so you can use xp for now, and when vista becomes more popular (as the same thing happened from Windows ME - XP) and the programs are better supported on vista, move back.

Otherwise most small computer stores will sell you a PC with either operating system still, but laptops is a little more challenging.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Apr-23-2007 16:34:

xp has no "crack". there is a WGA crack that allows you to download updates. there is also a registry hack that allows you to install the genuine verifying updates from MS. i have it at home. if you want that pm me.


Posted by SuspicionVandit on Apr-23-2007 16:45:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
xp has no "crack". there is a WGA crack that allows you to download updates. there is also a registry hack that allows you to install the genuine verifying updates from MS. i have it at home. if you want that pm me.




or just use all these XP Hom/Prokeys people WANT you to have

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22W...ofile%22+key%3A

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...ofile%22+key%3A


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