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Why DO they call Islam: The Religion of Peace

After reading about how Islam has been so called corrupted by the fanatics... A 12 year boy is used to cut the head off a spy...
Taleban use 12-year-old boy to behead man accused of spying all in the name of thier God


I started to compile a list of Teaching from Mohammed and a some that Jesus stated. Below is just a sample of what is in the Koran, I added several passages from the New Testement to show,,,, read below, study on your own and decide what prophet was teaching peace and tollorance.....

It was jesus that stated, "He with no sin cast the first the stone" However, it looks like the so called, Religion of Peace's prophet used violence and death to spread his teachings.....

if any one wants to add any more please feel free to...

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Mohammed�s Koran 2:190-191 �Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight and persecute you, but commit no aggression ... and slay them when and where you get the better of them� 2:193 �Fight them until persecution is no more and religion is for Allah.� 2:216 �Fighting has been ordained for you.� 2:244 �Fight in the cause of Allah.� 3:12 �Say to those who disbelieve, �You shall soon be overcome and gathered together to be driven towards hell.� 3:32: �Allah does not love the disbelievers.� 3:141 �And ... Allah will wipe off the disbelievers gradually.� 3:148 �Lord grant us victory over the disbelieving people.� 3:151-152 �We shall certainly strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. .. and certainly Allah had made good his promise to you when you were slaying them to pieces by his permission.� 4:74 �Let those who would prefer the hereafter to the present life, fight in the cause of Allah.� 4:76 �Fight against the friends of satan.� 4:77 �Fighting has been made binding� 4:84 �Urge on the faithful to fight.� 4:89 �If they turn back, then capture them and kill them wherever you find them, and do not take anyone of them as a friend or as a helper.� 4:91 �it is these [unbelievers] against whom we have given absolute authority.� 4:95 �Allah has indeed granted eminence to those who strive in his cause over those who stay at home.� 4:104 �Do not be slack in pursuing these disbelieving people.� 5:33 �The only recompense of those who make war against Allah and his messenger and who strive hard to create disorder in the land, is that they be executed or crucified to death, or that their hands or feet be cut off, or they be exiled.� 5:38 �As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands.� 8:12-13 �I will indeed strike terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. So smite on your enemy�s necks and above these on their heads and strike off all their fingertips. This punishment is given them because they opposed Allah and his Messenger, and whosoever opposes Allah, for him, Allah is severe in punishment.� 8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies, ... 8:66 if there are a hundred of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred, and if a thousand, they will vanquish two thousand. 8:67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. 8:74 Those who believe, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith, in the cause of Allah as well as those who give (them) asylum and aid,- these are (all) in very truth the Believers: for them is the forgiveness of sins and a provision most generous. 9:5 slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush 9:12-14 But if they ... taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: ... that thus they may be restrained. What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first... . fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth 9:73 O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. 9:86 When a chapter is revealed, enjoining them to believe in Allah and to strive and fight along with His Messenger, those with wealth and influence among them ask thee for exemption, and say: �Leave us (behind): we would be with those who sit (at home).� ... 88 But the messenger and those who believe with him strive with their wealth and their lives. 9:123 O ye who believe! fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). 13:41 See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? 15:4 Never did we destroy a population that had not a term decreed and assigned beforehand. 5 No people can hasten on their doom nor can they postpone (it).

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Jesus� New Testament Matthew 5:7 �Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. Matthew 5:9 �Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. 1 Peter 3:9 Do not return evil for evil or reviling for reviling; but on the contrary bless, for to this you have been called, that you may obtain a blessing. Matthew 5:43-45 �You have heard that it was said, �You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.� But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. Matthew 5:38-39 �You have heard that it was said, �An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.� But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; 1 Thessalonians 5:15 See that none of you repays evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to all. 1 Peter 2:20-23 For what credit is it, if when you do wrong and are beaten for it you take it patiently? But if when you do right and suffer for it you take it patiently, you have God�s approval. For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. He committed no sin; no guile was found on his lips. When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten; but he trusted to him who judges justly. Luke 6:27-29 �But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt. Romans 12:17-21 Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, �Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.� No, �if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head.� Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the Son of man comes. Romans 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. 1 Corinthians 4:12 and we labor, working with our own hands. When reviled, we bless; when persecuted, we endure; 2 Corinthians 12:10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities; for when I am weak, then I am strong. 2 Timothy 3:12 Indeed all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, Mark 11:25 And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against any one; so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.� Luke 23:34 And Jesus said, �Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.� And they cast lots to divide his garments. Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, Hebrews 12:14 Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. Matthew 26:51-52 And behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest, and cut off his ear. Then Jesus said to him, �Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Acts 7:59-60 And as they were stoning Stephen, �he knelt down and cried with a loud voice, �Lord, do not hold this sin against them.� John 18:36 Jesus answered, �My kingship is not of this world; if my kingship were of this world, my servants would fight, that I might not be handed over to the Jews; but my kingship is not from the world.� 1 Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of the faith; �. 2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

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It is also worth noting that when the "angel" visited Mohammed, Mohammed was afraid and remained that way. In the Bible, whenever anyone was visited by an angel of the Lord (Joseph, Mary, etc.), the very first thing the angel did was to assure them that there was nothing to fear and they were calmed. .....interesting.....

Even though I do not consider my self a christian, it is hard to over look the violence that seems to be praised in the Koran.
And I know that many may say, but, but, but what about the Old Testement?? Jesus taught peace, love and to turn the other cheeck. Islam teaches "We (muslims) shall certainly strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. .. and certainly Allah had made good his promise to you when you were slaying them to pieces by his permission.�



He only reason why I posted this, is because, We need to know the teachings of both sides... It is obvious that Islam & the West(christian basically) are headed to conflicts that will spill over into the streets soon. Turning a blind eye to this religion and the part Christanity plays in our word today is stupid. Even atheist should learn what these religions think and teach.
I also find it pretty frigging funny that most of the Athiest on this board seem to team up with the Muslim's on this board to knock on Christanity.... Just remember what the Koran says about athiests:

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3:151-152 �We shall certainly strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. .. and certainly Allah had made good his promise to you when you were slaying them to pieces by his permission.�

and here is what Jesus says about athiests:

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Luke 6:27-29 �But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt.

also note, this is not a thread to knock on either religion, I just wanted to share some passages about the present situation this world is in when it comes to these two religions....
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Simple answer, because it is, and you're taking all those references out of context. And I'm not going to bother expanding on that since you seem so obsessed with this topic.

Ok, I'll give you one example just because I've dealt with this one so many times already:

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2:190-191: �Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight and persecute you, but commit no aggression ... and slay them when and where you get the better of them� 2:193: �Fight them until persecution is no more and religion is for Allah.�

Full verses:

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Translation by Yusuf Ali 2:190: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. 2:191: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. 2:192: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 2:193: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

Now please note all the conveniet omissions and mistranslation present in the article you quoted. Does that tell you something ; it paints a rather different picture with those omissions and distortions doesn't in? I can't stand ignorance, especially when people are so willing to swallow whatever BS they're fed.

EDIT: One thing I should add is, Muhammad and his followers were heavily persecuted so don't forget that fact when considering the context of particular Surahs.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Simple answer, because it is, and you're taking all those references out of context. And I'm not going to bother expanding on that since you seem so obsessed with this topic.

Out of context?? How?? Please, I was hoping that you would explain what, at least some of the above passages mean? You see, this is what I want, I want to know why, these passages are always brought up. I am going to devote some free time to reading the Koran along with some concordances due in part that, like the Hebrew Bible with its Talmud and the New Testement, a person needs to read other commentaries to help explain the difficult and some times contracdicory texts. Is it true that many of today's Islam's beliefs are not based on the Koran, but on other people's commentaries of its interpretaions??

It seems that the Gospel of Jesus was spoken for "everyman" but the Koran, well to Westerners who've never opened it, the book can be intimidating and archaic...

Dude, perhaps you missed my post above . If I'm really bored, I'll destory the rest of them too .

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z EDIT: One thing I should add is, Muhammad and his followers were heavily persecuted so don't forget that fact when considering the context of particular Surahs.

Ok I see what you are saying, but why is a basically historical account of the early years of Islam used to teach modern man??

IMHO thats what I just can't get about the Koran, if passages were a reflection of that time and the presucution of the followers, then why should the Modern Muslim use these passages?
Is that the reason why the fanatics (on each side) use these passages, cause they beleive that they are bieng persucuted as in the early day??

Huh?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Huh?

I know.... huh??

What I was trying to say was, Unlike the New Testement, excluding Revelations; The Koran seems to require one to use other books to understand.. is that a fair assesment?

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Originally posted by LazFX I know.... huh??

Umm... no. That reaction came from reading this:

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IMHO thats what I just can't get about the Koran, if passages were a reflection of that time and the presucution of the followers, then why should the Modern Muslim use these passages?

Most children don't literally cry 'wolf' eigther, but the moral of the story is pretty clear isn't it?

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Originally posted by LazFX What I was trying to say was, Unlike the New Testement, excluding Revelations; The Koran seems to require one to use other books to understand.. is that a fair assesment?

No, that not a fair assesment. The fact of the matter is that if you truly want to understand the Quran, you're going to have to learn the language it's written in, which would be Arabic. Otherwise you have to rely on translations, which are subject to the translators interpretation, linguistics skills, and biases.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z No, that not a fair assesment. The fact of the matter is that if you truly want to understand the Quran, you're going to have to learn the language it's written in, which would be Arabic.

So then what you are saying, unlike the teachings of Jesus or any other religion that are basically universal, that with out a full grasp on the Arabic Language, one can never understand the real meaning of Islam?

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Otherwise you have to rely on translations, which are subject to the translators interpretation, linguistics skills, and biases.

Is that why, like Christanity, there are several different sects of Islam?

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Originally posted by LazFX So then what you are saying, unlike the teachings of Jesus or any other religion that are basically universal, that with out a full grasp on the Arabic Language, one can never understand the real meaning of Islam? Is that why, like Christanity, there are several different sects of Islam?

Dude many and so many western orientalists insist to make a damn demoralization about Islamic and M.Eastern culture

U know

i don't ignore that some of the western orientalists respect
islam and M.Eastern culture and make the real obvious view about it.

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Originally posted by M.Johan Dude many and so many western orientalists insist to make a damn demoralization about Islamic and M.Eastern culture U know i don't ignore that some of the western orientalists respect islam and M.Eastern culture and make the real obvious view about it.

the M. Eastern Culture is older than the religion......way more older.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z The fact of the matter is that if you truly want to understand the Quran, you're going to have to learn the language it's written in, which would be Arabic. Otherwise you have to rely on translations, which are subject to the translators interpretation, linguistics skills, and biases.

Spot on.

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Originally posted by Spoonz Spot on.

so basically what you guys are saying is that, a deaf, blind and dumb person cannot be muslim? That person has no concept of language, so with out it, he cannot understand. Does this mean that he is not enlightend?

The only reason why I ask is due to christanity's whole deal with Soveriegn Grace... and predestination.... it basically states that a person is chosen to be saved even before they are born. "Jacob I Loved, Esau I Hated, when they were still in the womb." Does Islam have that basic premise??

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Originally posted by LazFX so basically what you guys are saying is that, a deaf, blind and dumb person cannot be muslim? That person has no concept of language, so with out it, he cannot understand. Does this mean that he is not enlightend? The only reason why I ask is due to christanity's whole deal with Soveriegn Grace... and predestination.... it basically states that a person is chosen to be saved even before they are born. "Jacob I Loved, Esau I Hated, when they were still in the womb." Does Islam have that basic premise??

Look it's obvious there're so many western orientalists demoralize
the both "the religion" and "the culture"

Many of them know the realities and the secrets and wat's behind the meanings about any language

But they ignore bec.of mainly blind fanaticism , hostility ,jealous and many things.
And also wat's said by shaolin_Z

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z No, that not a fair assesment. The fact of the matter is that if you truly want to understand the Quran, you're going to have to learn the language it's written in, which would be Arabic. Otherwise you have to rely on translations, which are subject to the translators interpretation, linguistics skills, and biases.

That doesn't mean however that the concepts can't be taught, regardless of language.
The bible has been translated several times in many languages, and conceptually, has pretty much remained true.
Why can't this be for the Quran?

shaolin...I'm not saying Islam is inherently evil, because I don't think it is, but even back in context, those weren't exactly the most peaceful religious passages I've ever heard.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono shaolin...I'm not saying Islam is inherently evil, because I don't think it is, but even back in context, those weren't exactly the most peaceful religious passages I've ever heard.

That's cool, I didn't take your comment that way. Well, there's a difference between being a peaceful non-agressor and being a pacifist.

EDIT: Don't forget how out of context those are, often mistranslated. Like I demonstrated with one example. You'll find infinetly more reference teaching compassion, forgiveness, and all that other stuff.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z EDIT: Don't forget how out of context those are, often mistranslated. Like I demonstrated with one example. You'll find infinetly more reference teaching compassion, forgiveness, and all that other stuff.

See you keep speaking that these are taking out of context...then you also state that one must have a great handle on Arabic Language.
But do not most Muslims, the ones that are not in the west, take these out of context just as you state that we have?? I mean does the average muslim obtain a degree in Islamic Theology??
Or just being born into islam turn on some macigal light in a person that allowa his to see past all of the so called, OUT of Context scriptures? And also, those muslims and there seems to be almost all of them that speak hate of the west and jews, use these so called, by you at least, OUT OF CONTEXT SCRIPTURES to preach thier hate to the uneducated masses.......
Perhaps the truth is , the radicals have a full grasp on what Islam really is and the so called learned muslim is just coloring the truth. Kind of like Scientology. Oh its a great thing until you start learning about the homesexula Xenu and the aliens...

Sure man, whatever you say. Yeah dude, all 114 Surahs and the millions of verses in them are just full of verses talking about murder, plunder, and pilage? There's obviously no point in me saying anything as you're automatically doing to disregard it. If you're so damn curious, why don't you pick up the copy of the Quran and read it for yourself? Or would you rather form your opinion from obvious disinfo and propaganda? Seem like the latter to me, and it also seems like you're not particualrly fond of reading. Have a nice day.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Sure man, whatever you say. Yeah dude, all 114 Surahs and the millions of verses in them are just full of verses talking about murder, plunder, and pilage?

Well those veses I quoted pretty much tend to make it look that way. Even if, as you stated, its all out of context..... but even if they are taking out context, it still doesn't remove the fact that some of your your muslim brethern apparently have done the same as well...unless you are going to sit here and tell me that Muslims do no wrong...

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There's obviously no point in me saying anything as you're automatically doing to disregard it. If you're so damn curious, why don't you pick up the copy of the Quran and read it for yourself?

Well you told me that I could never understand the Koran unless I know Arabic...

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Or would you rather form your opinion from obvious disinfo and propaganda? Seem like the latter to me, and it also seems like you're not particualrly fond of reading. Have a nice day.

Well thank you for just solidfying my POV on the Muslim religion, one should just accept the Koran as the voice of God and never question it.....

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Originally posted by LazFX so basically what you guys are saying is that, a deaf, blind and dumb person cannot be muslim? That person has no concept of language, so with out it, he cannot understand. Does this mean that he is not enlightend? The only reason why I ask is due to christanity's whole deal with Soveriegn Grace... and predestination.... it basically states that a person is chosen to be saved even before they are born. "Jacob I Loved, Esau I Hated, when they were still in the womb." Does Islam have that basic premise??

that's spot on...and can be proven scientifically.

i'm not saying what ShaolinZ is incorrect but LazFX's rebuttal to that proves something else about Islam. subjigation.

i'm totally not down with that.

i dont think islam is necessarily more guilty than christianity when it comes to blood-thirsty holy text. the text isn't the problem imo. religion itself, and its lack of evolution to modernise its archaic writings is the problem. but of course, you cant modernise a holy book can you?

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Originally posted by LazFX Well those veses I quoted pretty much tend to make it look that way. Even if, as you stated, its all out of context..... but even if they are taking out context, it still doesn't remove the fact that some of your your muslim brethern apparently have done the same as well...unless you are going to sit here and tell me that Muslims do no wrong...

I said no such thing you idiot, stop putting words in my mouth. I don't have the double digit jock IQ that you do. So I don't prescribe to your dualistic framework of "my team" v.s "their team." Grow up. It's kinda sad having to say that to a 'grown' man well in his thirties.

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Originally posted by LazFX Well you told me that I could never understand the Koran unless I know Arabic...

Apparently you don't understand English. That is NOT what I said, I said if you want to "truly understand the..."

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Originally posted by LazFX Well thank you for just solidfying my POV on the Muslim religion, one should just accept the Koran as the voice of God and never question it.....

LOL, what? Again, I said no such thing neigther did I imply it. How can you have faith in something, believing that something is the truth, with out questioning it and being critical?

Listen man, if you want to be a narrow minded ignorant prick, be my guest. Just don't expect me to respond to your BS propaganda posts.

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THE man found guilty of raping a woman as punishment for reading the Bible lured her to his unit by claiming he had news of her family overseas. Abdul Reda al-Shawany was today found guilty of sexually assaulting the then-Muslim mother of four - a refugee from the Middle East who had left her children and husband behind - for her "insult" to Islam. She had been studying the Bible because she was interested in Christianity. After the attack, at al-Shawany's Warwick Farm unit in Septmeber 2002, she converted. It took a jury just half an hour to convict al-Shawany, 52, of two counts of assault at Campbelltown District Court. Even after the decision was handed down he protested his innocence, with his lawyer Christopher Pike indicating his intention to appeal. He said there was a viable alternative hypothesis as to how al-Shawany's DNA, in the form of semen, came to be on the victim's underwear - and that he believed his client could be acquitted on appeal. An application for bail was refused by Judge Brian Knox, who said that the crime was "a fairly brutal attack". Al-Shawany will be sentenced in the Downing Centre on Friday, June 15th. His victim was not in court today.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21613300-2,00.html

i mean seriously. i might have a bit of a chip on my shoulder about religion, but what is it about fanatics that feel so fucking righteous that everyone else is wrong and should be punished?

you wouldnt find an atheist raping someone for reading the bible. what IS it about religion that gives people such delusions?

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