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Posted by Abercrombie on Apr-24-2007 04:34:

Captain Obvious article in The Star ...Grinding: 'Simulated sex' or 'just a dance'?

quote:


Freaking out the teacher
TheStar.com - News - Freaking out the teacher

'Simulated sex' or 'just a dance'? Teachers and teens disagree about latest craze on the dance floor

April 23, 2007
Tess Kalinowski

It's called freaking, grinding, the nut and butt or just plain vertical sex.

Teenagers don't flinch talking about it and they don't think twice about doing it even though the sexually explicit dance has been banned in schools from California to Hamilton.

Freaking, which typically involves a female shimmying her backside against the grinding hips of her male partner, simply isn't decent to some school officials trying to keep a lid on simmering hormones.

But as the prom season moves into high gear, young adults and cultural observers say objections to grinding are just the typical overreaction to this generation's version of the twist.

"Current music and current dance are always going to be critiqued by generations before. My teachers' parents didn't like them listening to Elvis. (Grinding) is an explicit dance. It is, at the same time, just a dance," said North Toronto Collegiate Grade 12 student Nick Kennedy, who admits his own attempts have earned him at least one warning from a teacher.

"It's not a dance that takes much to nail down. It's a pretty human response. Just about anyone can do it," Kennedy said. He's even been at dances where teachers have poked students with sticks as a warning to stop.

Kennedy's reaction is typical of students, says Tim Yawney, vice-principal at St. Thomas Aquinas Catholic Secondary School in Brampton.

Although he's not always comfortable with the way students dance in their "contemporary, urban style," Yawney says he will usually wait for a break before approaching and remarking on their "interesting" moves. To make it too big an issue would pretty much shut down the dance, which Yawney says has value in terms of developing community spirit at his school.

"(Students) don't consider it any different than how we would dance face to face when we were kids. They see it as just part of how they dance.

"It's what they see on TV, it's what they view on music videos, and they all copy each other," said Yawney.

Grinding isn't a problem at Chinguacousy Secondary School in Brampton because dances aren't very popular there, said principal Carol Speers, who cancelled two last year due to poor ticket sales.

But she's worked in other high schools where she would make an announcement warning students against the suggestive dance before the music started.

"We'd be on grinding patrol. I called it simulated sex on the dance floor," said the straight-talking Speers.

"I won't let them stand at the wall and neck. Why would I let them do this? I've got to see some air between them," she said.

On some level dance has always been about sex, says Charlie Keil, director of cinema studies at the University of Toronto.

"As soon as there was contact dancing, there was anxiety about what it meant."

You only have to look back to the 1930s and '40s, said Keil.

"If you look at people jitterbugging, it's incredibly wild. There's a lot of bodily display. The woman often has a skirt, which will flip up, but also that movement back and forth through the body.

"The question is whether the dancers are feeling what's being represented. If you were to ask most strippers what they're feeling doing a pole dance, they'd probably say they're waiting to clock out.

"I can't imagine how dancing suggestively is going to trigger sex any more than other teen contact would. At the very least, as a parent you know that while they're doing that in public they're not doing it in private."

Toronto public school superintendent Michael Smith is as dismayed as many parents and teachers by the way society sexualizes children.

But he says school dances are still "as much about what hasn't changed as what has changed."

"What's important is that there is a set of standards that meet the community's needs where no one is embarrassed or ashamed of what's going on. It's a very difficult line to draw."


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When was your first time grinding? Do you gring to any other music?


Posted by Yohan on Apr-24-2007 04:37:

Hands in the air > grinding


Posted by FunkyCrew on Apr-24-2007 04:39:

haha! oh my, back in the day of listening to r'n'b and rap, oh my, sooo much grinding


Posted by psychosomatica on Apr-24-2007 04:40:

They need to get over the fact that someone's getting laid.


Posted by geroin on Apr-24-2007 06:05:

14 at helium


Posted by UmmiE on Apr-24-2007 06:12:

If they just have sex once before they come to the club or something i think they would acutally try different other moves besides grinding.


Posted by PurpleHaze on Apr-24-2007 06:14:

lmao this is great...

i remember gr 7 junior high dances, our "dances" would go from 3:30pm till like 6pm...you'd walk out and theres the sun still! fucking joke it was

all the 'cool' guys would wear orange pants, some randy river shirt, a metal beaded necklace and a sun visor with mad spikey hair LOL

we would secretly try to grind with the girls but if/when the multiple teachers walking around the dance floor caught us, they would give us a warning and tell us to "separate" from each other

i still cant get over this, pure fucking jokes!!! so im guessing i was like 13-14?

edit: songs that came back to my memory :
eiffel 65 - blue (BIG hit hahahaha)
that "we're going to ibiza" song
SISQO - THONG SONG HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT WAS THE BEST GRINDING SONG THAT YEAR


Posted by Yohan on Apr-24-2007 06:15:

quote:
Originally posted by geroin
14 at helium

LOL. Isn't the age that teens lose their virginity like early 15 or something?


Posted by geroin on Apr-24-2007 06:28:

quote:
Originally posted by EvilTree
LOL. Isn't the age that teens lose their virginity like early 15 or something?


pretty much

most girls 14, most guys 15, 16


Posted by DaRoZa on Apr-24-2007 06:37:

quote:
Originally posted by PurpleHaze
all the 'cool' guys would wear orange pants, some randy river shirt, a metal beaded necklace and a sun visor with mad spikey hair LOL


HAHAHAHA... i completely forgot about those huge metal bead necklaces


Posted by VolumE_TO on Apr-24-2007 08:03:

quote:
Originally posted by PurpleHaze

you'd walk out and theres the sun still!



yeah now we just walk out to it rising


Posted by kotsy on Apr-24-2007 13:50:

quote:
Originally posted by VolumE_TO
yeah now we just walk out to it rising


took the words right out of my mouth.


Posted by Dr. DAS on Apr-24-2007 15:11:

quote:
Originally posted by PurpleHaze
eiffel 65 - blue (BIG hit hahahaha)


Ohhhhhhhhh NO!

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You're welcome!

That song was massive at the time....also, what the hell were we thinking with the Vengaboys?


Posted by Abercrombie on Apr-24-2007 15:19:

Grinding wasn't around in my HS days. We had 'Dirty Dancing' like the movie. There was a little scissor-leg contact, very risque at the time, but nothing in comparison to what I managed to endure in the Orange Room 3.5 years ago. Yes, I lost my grinding cherry to my ex of 3 years (some of you know her). It was actually the most secs I had in a long time.


Posted by shanny on Apr-24-2007 15:30:

Where's our resident Grinder with his take on the dance craze?


Posted by Orko on Apr-24-2007 15:33:

I saw a new piece on this a few months back, and they called it 'freaking'.

The school's and parents were concerned enough to shut down the school dances.


Posted by Dr. DAS on Apr-24-2007 15:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
I saw a new piece on this a few months back, and they called it 'freaking'.

The school's and parents were concerned enough to shut down the school dances.


They're either going to 'freak' in public or f*ck in private.

And with the sorry state of sex education, I say let 'em dance.


Posted by zokissima on Apr-24-2007 15:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
I saw a new piece on this a few months back, and they called it 'freaking'.

The school's and parents were concerned enough to shut down the school dances.

Un-freaking-believable.

IMO, just a typical view of an older generation fearing the indecencies of the new.


Posted by SPANIARD on Apr-24-2007 16:15:

quote:
Originally posted by PurpleHaze
lmao this is great...

i remember gr 7 junior high dances, our "dances" would go from 3:30pm till like 6pm...you'd walk out and theres the sun still! fucking joke it was

all the 'cool' guys would wear orange pants, some randy river shirt, a metal beaded necklace and a sun visor with mad spikey hair LOL

we would secretly try to grind with the girls but if/when the multiple teachers walking around the dance floor caught us, they would give us a warning and tell us to "separate" from each other

i still cant get over this, pure fucking jokes!!! so im guessing i was like 13-14?

edit: songs that came back to my memory :
eiffel 65 - blue (BIG hit hahahaha)
that "we're going to ibiza" song
SISQO - THONG SONG HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT WAS THE BEST GRINDING SONG THAT YEAR



All truth has been said in this post, cheers!


Posted by UmmiE on Apr-24-2007 16:18:


Posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* on Apr-24-2007 16:52:

The best is at the Bistro in Quebec which has mirrors all around the dance floor. You can see people grinding...aka having sex...on the dance floor. So tastefull


Posted by Cribby on Apr-24-2007 16:54:

quote:
Originally posted by EvilTree
LOL. Isn't the age that teens lose their virginity like early 15 or something?



Posted by PurpleHaze on Apr-24-2007 18:03:

hahahahaah fuck i've havent seen/heard this in yearssssss


Posted by geroin on Apr-24-2007 20:07:

quote:
Originally posted by PurpleHaze
hahahahaah fuck i've havent seen/heard this in yearssssss



this is much better than the shit that comes out these days
fucking shame really..


Posted by PurpleHaze on Apr-24-2007 20:12:

quote:
Originally posted by geroin
this is much better so the shit that comes out these days
fucking shame really..


i agree 100%


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