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HAI GUYZ, WAT IS BETTA CUBASE STUDIO 4 OR A CASIO KEYBOARD LOLOL

Ok, seriously. I'm contemplating purchasing Cubase Studio 4, but I looked through the feature comparison with Cubase 4 "FULL" and it says "External Instruments and Effects: No".

What the hell does that mean? :P

Can somone give me a run down on what I am missing out on please?

External FX are a way to use an outboard Hardware FX processor as a VST FX plugin. The Lexicon MX series is a good example of hardware FX boxes that can be used in this way, but the FX box has to be setup to be used in this way. Not all hardware FX have this capability. The FX boxes that can be used in this way will usually have a USB port in additional to the analog in's and out's.

I consider it a "nice to have" but not a "must have".

I haven't had a need for the External Instruments, but I suspect it is something similar.

would this mean a Virus TI wouldnt work with it?

It is possible that you wouldn't be able to control the Virus using Virus Control unless you had the External Instrument capability. I do not own a Virus TI, so I cannot confirm that, but I'm sure one of the Virus TI owners on the forum can verify that for you, or you can probably find a good thread about it through Google. Just search for "Virus TI + Cubase 4".
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Of course you can always just use the controls on the physical synth, but I can understand why you'd want to use VC. I have a Virus B and I always edit patches through Sounddiver and never touch the front panel on the synth.

If I were you, I'd go ahead and pony up the cash for the full version. I think you'll be happier in the long run. Not only will you have the External Instruments/FX capability but there may be other features you want to use in the future.

As an example, I bought Cubase SL3 instead of the full SX version, and now I kind of regret it because once I bought a Lexicon FX box, it would have been nice to have that External FX capability and I didn't have it. I found a workaround, but it would have been nicer to have it all integrated. In addition, SL3 did not have a dual stereo panner, which is necessary to implement sidechaining in Cubase, as far as I know.

i cant afford the full version, its waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...
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aaaaay expensive here :P

Well the way I got around it was that I used an extra laptop I had lying around. I just plugged in the USB cable from the MX200 into the laptop and installed the MX Edit software on that machine. That solution works for me, so you may want to try it with Virus Control and see if that works for you. Not ideal, but for something as simple as the MX200 control plugin it works just fine. YMMV as Virus Control is much more complicated that MX Edit.

you can buy Cubase Studio 4 and always upgrade whenever you want.

The Virus TI will work with Cubase 4 if you use it with Virus Control. All the audio will be passed through the USB bus. However, the lack of External Instruments means that you won't be able to use the analog outputs with 0ms latency to your audio interface.

Oh, so that means I cant have audio in on my sound card going to a channel on the mixer?

That sucks balls. Total deal breaker

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Originally posted by echosystm Oh, so that means I cant have audio in on my sound card going to a channel on the mixer? That sucks balls. Total deal breaker

nah, that cant be right..

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However, you are correct in saying that the Studio version does not contain the "External Connections and Effects" connections setup, but that's meant if you want to hook up hardware synths and what not and treat them like a virtual instrument. However, there's nothing preventing you from just connecting the outputs to your audio interface's inputs and just recording them like a line in device... more inconvenient, but sometimes you just have to work around those sorts of things.

...isn't that the normal way of doing things? Or does he mean it doesnt support MIDI out and you have to play the notes in manually?

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Originally posted by echosystm ...isn't that the normal way of doing things? Or does he mean it doesnt support MIDI out and you have to play the notes in manually?

ehm.. it supports MIDI in and out.

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Originally posted by echosystm Oh, so that means I cant have audio in on my sound card going to a channel on the mixer? That sucks balls. Total deal breaker

You can, however, you'll have to deal with however many milliseconds of latency your sound card has. With the External Instruments & FX feature, you can set up any synths or fx units to be used just like VSTi's in the VST Instrument window. Thus, not suffering any latency and no hassle of recording to audio (although you can bounce to audio if you like). Without that feature, you're stuck with doing things "the old way" with a MIDI track and monitoring through an audio track and then recording to audio and then re-aligning the audio file. Blah, who's got time for all that these days!

Well, I don't actually have any synths

I probably won't get anything except maybe a Virus TI in... a year or so. I guess its not really worth paying double for something I'm 99% not gonna use. :P

Thanks guys.

One last thing... I was planning on getting the academic version, but I can't find the license anywhere on the steinberg site! Is the license the same as the retail version? Will I be able to upgrade in the future?

Guys in the shop didn't seem to know either haha.

Thanks

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Originally posted by echosystm Well, I don't actually have any synths I probably won't get anything except maybe a Virus TI in... a year or so. I guess its not really worth paying double for something I'm 99% not gonna use. :P Thanks guys.

Like i said.. you can upgrade at any moment, and that will cost you a little more than half the price of the full version.

Reaper not work for you?

Cubase is good been using it since version 4 then vst5 till SX1 then made switch to reaper which is a bit buggy but i like some of the features.

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Originally posted by flutlicht junky Reaper not work for you? Cubase is good been using it since version 4 then vst5 till SX1 then made switch to reaper which is a bit buggy but i like some of the features.

im on 3.2 and havent had a single problem.. dont know about 4 though

Reaper is fantastic. Based on my experience using Cubase SX3... Reaper totally wins - small, efficient, unbloated. However, now that I've got a new computer, I think I can afford a bit of bloat. :P

This video
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay...506343548938321
pretty much sealed the deal for me. They only work like that with Cubase or Logic, and I'm gonna get one ASAP!

Echo.. you just give the retailer a copy of your school registration. They should have academic versions in their store (exactly the same but with a little sticker on it). If they don't have it go to another store.

I bought sx3 for half the price that way last year. I updated this year to cubase 4 with the grace update so to get back to your question, there's absolutely nothing to worry about for future updates.

What you will be missing is the lag compensation if you want to use your instruments "real-time", that way you can add inserts and fx on your synth, kinda like use it like a plug-in. This is irrelevant if you plan to use the TI as vst though.

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This video http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay...506343548938321 pretty much sealed the deal for me. They only work like that with Cubase or Logic, and I'm gonna get one ASAP!

Those behringers are fun. I miss my mackie controller sometimes, so I ordered one of those Frontier Alpha tracks. I just need one fader anyways..

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/clo...lphaTrack--Main

I'm not at home now but if the controller is the bEhringer bcr / bcf ones then I believe Reaper can link to the behringer as if it was a mackie controller. The BCF/BCR have a button on them apparently which when activated emulates the mackie.

Reaper only has volume/pan support for the BCF. That's pretty lame, any controller can do that! I want the full shebang - EQ, sends and all!

If it does that then yeah thats very good. My friends uses the Project Mix I/O and he absolutely loves it.

Buy the full Cubase 4 with a student discount. (That's what I did).

But before that.


WAIT A FEW MORE MONTHS UNTIL STEINBERG FINALLY FUCKING IMPLEMENTS FREE ROUTING (FOR SIDE-CHAINING/EXTERNAL KEY STUFF)!!!!!!!!!!!

I actually love Cubase 4, the only thing other than missing that feature is that it misbehaves a bit from time to time with "older" VST2 plug-ins. The Waves bundle has some problems. Occasional dBlue Glitch will fuck up. And from time to time VST's won't load their GUI properly.

So yea. It's a great progam.

BUT I did manage to squeeze a track out of it:

http://www.djfreaq.com/needair_10_16bit44.mp3

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