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Xone92 --> M-Audio Delta 44 --> Audacity

I seem to have a problem with recording from my 92 into Audacity through an M-Audio Delta 44 (1/4" breakout box).

For some reason it records very quietly (the quality is top notch but just very quiet), the peaks in Audacity dont even go a 5th of the way to the top. And I can't adjust the line-in levels in Audacity as they are now greyed out when using this new M-Audio soundcard.

If I go to the input levels in the M-Audio Control Panel they don't make any difference at all

The only thing that affects the levels are the channel gains on the mixer but even when at full, it hardly makes a difference and then the channel VU meters are just permanently at full peak.

I'm using the Record Out on the Xone92.

Any ideas?

when I record my mixes I use the LINE-IN plug on my computer. The sound is loud and clear You might wanna try that!

Re: Xone92 --> M-Audio Delta 44 --> Audacity

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Originally posted by agentdansmith I seem to have a problem with recording from my 92 into Audacity through an M-Audio Delta 44 (1/4" breakout box). For some reason it records very quietly (the quality is top notch but just very quiet), the peaks in Audacity dont even go a 5th of the way to the top. And I can't adjust the line-in levels in Audacity as they are now greyed out when using this new M-Audio soundcard. If I go to the input levels in the M-Audio Control Panel they don't make any difference at all The only thing that affects the levels are the channel gains on the mixer but even when at full, it hardly makes a difference and then the channel VU meters are just permanently at full peak. I'm using the Record Out on the Xone92. Any ideas?

Yeah.

You need to raise your raise your gains (On your fader) higher if the master control doesn't respond to the input levels fed in your delta 44.

OR

You need to lower gains on your master and, raise the gains on your fader higher so you can feed your delta 44 a stronger signal without being too loud wherever you are recording your set.

You say, that your recordings are lower. Couldn't you just raise the overall level of the recording when you are mastering it?

I use the Audiophile 2496 and you won't have any additional pre amplifiers between the soundcard. This insures a better signal to noise ratio.

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Originally posted by Arnozilla when I record my mixes I use the LINE-IN plug on my computer. The sound is loud and clear You might wanna try that!

This is what I used to do but I'm not gonna use the onboard sound when I've got an M-Audio card.

Re: Re: Xone92 --> M-Audio Delta 44 --> Audacity

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Originally posted by OMNIFEX Yeah. You need to raise your raise your gains (On your fader) higher if the master control doesn't respond to the input levels fed in your delta 44. OR You need to lower gains on your master and, raise the gains on your fader higher so you can feed your delta 44 a stronger signal without being too loud wherever you are recording your set. You say, that your recordings are lower. Couldn't you just raise the overall level of the recording when you are mastering it? I use the Audiophile 2496 and you won't have any additional pre amplifiers between the soundcard. This insures a better signal to noise ratio.

My master control doesn't effect the input levels as I'm using the Record out on my mixer.

Even if I raise the channel gains to full, it is still very quiet but my channel VU meters are constantly peaking at 10dB.

I could use the amplify feature in Audacity but I'm not sure what I'm losing when doing this.

Surely there must be a way of recording a mix without having to do any of the above?
I used to do it on my old Numark mixer and crappy onboard soundcard....

from the rec-out of your xone92 to the line-in of you soundcard,and after normalize to 0db the recorded wav

bye

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Originally posted by lokotraum from the rec-out of your xone92 to the line-in of you soundcard,and after normalize to 0db the recorded wav bye

Ok, so what's the best program to normalise? Or are they all just as good as each other?

I've got Audacity and Nero 7.

Ok, I've tried normalising the recording afterwards and even when normalised it is still fairly quiet compared to how it used to be - plus the sound quality isn't as good either.

Should I try using one of the other Mix outs or Booth out on the mixer instead of using the Record out? That way I should be able to control the signal level by using one of the output knobs.

You should really just boost the levels, not normalize. Normalizing changes the dynamics of the audio a bit.

When I record off the record-out of my Xone 92 into my M-Audio audiophile firewire card, the levels are pretty good. I usually boost them just a few decibles after I record, but that's it.

You using the record out I assume? RCA's to the soundcard? It should be fine. If not, I'd try the line-in on your computer as suggested. That'll at least rule out something weird going on with the mixer.

If it ends up being the soundcard and you want an "adjustable" record out, you can get some 1/4"->RCA cables and use "mix 2" to your computer. As long as you don't change it during your recording, you won't hear other volume changes (mix 1, booth) in your mix.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 You should really just boost the levels, not normalize. Normalizing changes the dynamics of the audio a bit. When I record off the record-out of my Xone 92 into my M-Audio audiophile firewire card, the levels are pretty good. I usually boost them just a few decibles after I record, but that's it. You using the record out I assume? RCA's to the soundcard? It should be fine. If not, I'd try the line-in on your computer as suggested. That'll at least rule out something weird going on with the mixer. If it ends up being the soundcard and you want an "adjustable" record out, you can get some 1/4"->RCA cables and use "mix 2" to your computer. As long as you don't change it during your recording, you won't hear other volume changes (mix 1, booth) in your mix.

I'm using RCA's from Record Out to 1/4" jack into the Breakout box on my M-Audio sound card, which then wires into the actual soundcard itself.

I'll try just plugging it into my linein on the PC tonight and see if that helps. If it does help, what does that mean exactly? As I don't want to use the onboard sound when I've got a much better sound card sitting in there.

The Delta 44 has variable input levels. According to the manual ( i looked), you can set it to -4, consumer, or -10db. You should check to see what value you have it set to (in the m-audio control panel, NOT audacity).

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Originally posted by agentdansmith I'm using RCA's from Record Out to 1/4" jack into the Breakout box on my M-Audio sound card, which then wires into the actual soundcard itself. I'll try just plugging it into my linein on the PC tonight and see if that helps. If it does help, what does that mean exactly? As I don't want to use the onboard sound when I've got a much better sound card sitting in there.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 The Delta 44 has variable input levels. According to the manual ( i looked), you can set it to -4, consumer, or -10db. You should check to see what value you have it set to (in the m-audio control panel, NOT audacity).

Ahhh nice one

I haven't got the manual cause I bought the card off me brother who had lost it. So it should be set to -4db then?

I'll try this out when I get home tonight....

The manual is online Read it

I don't know which value it SHOULD be... would be interesting to see what the solution it.

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Originally posted by agentdansmith Ahhh nice one I haven't got the manual cause I bought the card off me brother who had lost it. So it should be set to -4db then? I'll try this out when I get home tonight....

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 The manual is online Read it I don't know which value it SHOULD be... would be interesting to see what the solution it.

Looks like I might be using the Mix outputs to record anyway as this is the reply I got from A&H today when I asked them which output gives the best audio quality through my NAD C352 amp:

"Hi Dan,

Thanks for the email.

The RCA phono inputs on the NAD website look as though they are 770mV
(very close to 0dBu) rather than the standard -10dBV (around -7.7dBu).
This looks wrong to me.

After crawling the web I found a spec sheet for the amp, stating its
input sensitivity as 330mV (just over -10dBV). This makes more sense.

This is level matched to the 'record' output on the 92. The other
outputs are at a too higher level for the input of the NAD; the Mix 1
out is at +4dBu (pro-audio balanced connections, such as power amp
inputs) and the Mix 2 and Booth outputs are at -2dBu (impedance
balanced).

Anyway, to the answer. If you purchased a power amp/ rig with a 1.25V
(+4dBu) input sensitivity, you could use the XLR outs. The Mix 2 and
booth outputs again are for power amp type applications.

You could plug the Mix 2 or Booth out into the NAD, but this is a larger
signal than it is expecting, so the volume control on the NAD may be a
bit 'high geared'...!

Best regards,

Tom Oakes

Technical Support Engineer
Allen & Heath Ltd."

Now THAT is how technical support should be

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Originally posted by agentdansmith Looks like I might be using the Mix outputs to record anyway as this is the reply I got from A&H today when I asked them which output gives the best audio quality through my NAD C352 amp: "Hi Dan, Thanks for the email. The RCA phono inputs on the NAD website look as though they are 770mV (very close to 0dBu) rather than the standard -10dBV (around -7.7dBu). This looks wrong to me. After crawling the web I found a spec sheet for the amp, stating its input sensitivity as 330mV (just over -10dBV). This makes more sense. This is level matched to the 'record' output on the 92. The other outputs are at a too higher level for the input of the NAD; the Mix 1 out is at +4dBu (pro-audio balanced connections, such as power amp inputs) and the Mix 2 and Booth outputs are at -2dBu (impedance balanced). Anyway, to the answer. If you purchased a power amp/ rig with a 1.25V (+4dBu) input sensitivity, you could use the XLR outs. The Mix 2 and booth outputs again are for power amp type applications. You could plug the Mix 2 or Booth out into the NAD, but this is a larger signal than it is expecting, so the volume control on the NAD may be a bit 'high geared'...! Best regards, Tom Oakes Technical Support Engineer Allen & Heath Ltd."

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Now THAT is how technical support should be

I know - can you imagine getting that level of support from Pionner?

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 I don't know which value it SHOULD be... would be interesting to see what the solution it.

All sorted

I switched the input signal level in the M-Audio Control Panel from +4db to -10db (so that it matched the output signal level of the Record out on the xone92) and now the recordings are loud and full of detail - I'm well chuffed.

Cheers for ya help.

Nice!

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