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Why is cheeze trance...

the stuff that gets most addicts addicted?? You know what I mean, right? Like the first time you were in that "techno" club and heard ATB 9PM till I come...or Alice Deejay Better off Alone.....Darude Sandstorm.....etc(depending on how far back you wanna go).

Do you think if the "quality" electronica was what you were dancing to, you would still have become interested?

I really think the cheezy stuff has its place in the mainstream, to get people interested enough to explore what's "underground". Just my thoughts.....any retorts??

Maybe, but I think
Cheesy stuff, from now on I call it DANCE, what it also is,
is more appreciated by people who are not into the real trance.


Many greetings,

TranceSeeker

yes

Somebody said this on another forum and I more or less agree with this:

cheese = the overal artistic value a track has when produced with one purpose in mind : sell as many copies as possible
so it's full of clich�s = structure and drumrolls and bassline and melody type, commonly used sounds that go for immediate effect, no multiple possible interpretations, no multi-layered sounds.
these tracks all mostly have a mellow feel to them, and always appeal somewhat good on first hearings as they are engineered to do so. that's also why they work to some extent quite well in clubs and on raves, because they have a straight to the point attitude, everyone can feel the effects easily, it is bright transparent music and very expressionistic in it's nature : the message it contains is easily understood by everyone( for which i believe it has a very important role as a stepstone to more sophisticated music)

everyone has to admit, by ignoring the consiousness of the low-quality production, when they open themselves to this music and allow themselves to just experience it, the effects of cheese can be quite strong, especially when on E's
luckily there's more to trance than cheesy trance, but trance would not be complete without cheesy trance

the strength of cheese lies in the fact that it's simple not complex.it's impressionistic and aimed at a very direct form of cummunication through music

of course there are different variety's of cheese
older= dated
bad = just completely out of touch with even the creators themselves, a pure waste of time
young = good ideas and a bit of originality, but just a rushed job
...
i like cheese and i dont like it
worst cheese record = too many to name
best cheese record : the age of love watch out for stella mix

special trance soundtrack for sex(i've always found it a good combination, but no music can be even better)early house party mix cd's ( nr 11 by jean is great!nr 9 is a classic)
special trance soundtrack for groupsex( or a gangbang)
= push - universal nation ( original mix but extended with the break and post break part repeated x times) lol myself
it's even a cheesy track, and i've just taught you that cheese isn't a bad word,haven't i?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ocean Wave
Somebody said this on another forum and I more or less agree with this:

[B][i]cheese = the overal artistic value a track has when produced with one purpose in mind : sell as many copies as possible
so it's full of clich�s = structure and drumrolls and bassline and melody type, commonly used sounds that go for immediate effect, no multiple possible interpretations, no multi-layered sounds.
these tracks all mostly have a mellow feel to them, and always appeal somewhat good on first hearings as they are engineered to do so. that's also why they work to some extent quite well in clubs and on raves, because they have a straight to the point attitude, everyone can feel the effects easily, it is bright transparent music and very expressionistic in it's nature : the message it contains is easily understood by everyone( for which i believe it has a very important role as a stepstone to more sophisticated music)

everyone has to admit, by ignoring the consiousness of the low-quality production, when they open themselves to this music and allow themselves to just experience it, the effects of cheese can be quite strong, especially when on E's
luckily there's more to trance than cheesy trance, but trance would not be complete without cheesy trance

the strength of cheese lies in the fact that it's simple not complex.it's impressionistic and aimed at a very direct form of cummunication through music

I agree with that.....nice reply Ocean Wave!!

quote:

Originally posted by TranceSeeker Cheesy stuff, from now on I call it DANCE

Why? A track can be trance but still cheesy. But being cheesey doesn't mean that it isn't trance.

The first tracks I took notice of were the cheesier ones, but it didn't last long. And now I can't stand many of my old favourites

But I think cheese is important for introduction purposes.

quote:

Originally posted by TranceSeeker Maybe, but I think Cheesy stuff, from now on I call it DANCE, what it also is, is more appreciated by people who are not into the real trance. Many greetings, TranceSeeker

Bit off the point here, but i was asked by some ppl the other day to tell them exactly what the difference was between Trance and Dance - like i know what the difference is but I found it very hard to explain it rite - anybody lend a hand?

I must admit that cheese trax are what got me hooked. Alice DeeJay Better off alone/want you back in my life along with Out of the blue at a mostly cheese club in 2000.

From what I've noticed and experienced
Most of the tunes are catchy and have ear-pleasing (albiet oftentimes campy) rhythms. Listening to these songs over and over gets one who isnt' used to hearning any sort of electronic music to get really acclimated to electronic music. Then they go into the "deeper" sounds...and the journey begins.

well this will without a doubt turn into a drawn out debate. but to keep it simple i always think that songs are cheese IF:

a)they were at one time trance, and are now assoc more with pop music. alt some songs were always pop (Vengaboys) but have been brought back to trance (Kiss [airscape]).

b)people dont like them. this is usually what cheese means here. its just personal preference, and even tho some people have an extremely skewed taste when it comes to trance - its usually just people that start 'hating' a song cause its pop. when really its just played too much.

c)they drift dangerously close to that Dj Irene cheese known as hard house...heh. this is a test cause its MY personal preference(see b). shes still fat and shitty and prolly a lesbian tho.

imo/

Re: Why is cheeze trance...

quote:

Originally posted by Eclypz I really think the cheezy stuff has its place in the mainstream, to get people interested enough to explore what's "underground". Just my thoughts.....any retorts??

Agree
If that's the price to pay ... long live the cheese!

It's so damned true! The cheezy tracks that got me into Trance were songs like Alice Deejay's - Better off Alone, Miss Jane's - Fine Day, Kaycee's Escape (Not the signum mix!!!), Braveheart remix, and ATB Till I come (Original).



That's about it. The rest is history. I started getting deep into Trance, and I began to love the 'real' deep stuff.



-Mental-

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Originally posted by Vesa All people have different taste and definition of cheese, so I can only speak for one small factor of this issue. Melodic and vocal trance differ from other genres of electronic music in that they are openly enjoyable. In my opinion, Western culture has problems coping with open enjoyment. Only intellectual and subtle enjoyment (through philosophical and mathematical structure, etc) is permitted so progressive house, techno and deeper trance conform to society's rules, and are easier to accept. Especially among the clergy of electronic music, that is among people who are serious music enthusiasts. Simple as that. Sounds probably far-fetched, but I think it's the same phenomenon as in the popular myth about dressed-up blondes versus homely intellectual brunettes. Everyone with a brain should realize that in reality there's no intrinsic difference in intelligence depending on dressing style and colour of hair. The only difference is that blondes are more attractive (to some extent, all things being equal), but not everyone can admit it, and feels obliged to devalue them. I don't mean to start a discussion about blondes vs. brunettes, but just wanted to give an analogy

wow, that is an interesting reply and i understand completely what you mean. It might be more of a northern european thing than neccessarily a 'western culture' thing. Most Germans are quite introverted, if you are in Germany, you will prolly have a hard time just starting to talk to people -I am no exception here.

Apart from that, one should consider that most of the time, everybody wants to be 'special'. Most people on this forum would say that they have a better taste in music than most people that listen to cheese, because it makes them feel different and unique. Who does not like the thought of being different from the masses. Isn't there a general trend -in all but the pop genre- that in order to prove how 'interested' one is in the music, one has to listen to the most underground songs possible?
It appears that being different from the mass is seen as the ultimate goal -I am striving for this too, who is not?- and that is the reason why the 'cute brunette' is more attractive than the hot blone. She, the brunette, is different from the masses, since she shows her intelligence through subtle ways and does not 'need' to resort to her body to catch men.

my 2 cents

and the electronica god said:

"LET THERE BE CHEESE!"

quote:

Originally posted by miss_e and the electronica god said: "LET THERE BE CHEESE!"

good one

oh.. 'and cheese there was'

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