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i want to buy studio monitors

The romanian market isn't very wide so the choises in my price range are:

- event alp 5
- alesis m1 mk2
- m-audio bx5
- rokit rp5
- behriger 2031a

anyone using one of the above?

Go and listen to them yourself, side by side. If you listen to any of us on here, you will be disapointed in what you buy.

For example, a lot of people told me to buy KRKs. They sounded absolute shit and I bought Events instead (same price). HOWEVER, in the USA, KRKs are significantly cheaper than the Events I bought, hence their popularity on this forum.

Now, no monitor you listen to will be perfect. There is no such thing as a perfectly flat monitor. Also, there is no such thing as a perfect listening area. You need to get the ones you like the best, and you think are the most revealing, and LEARN them inside out. Learn how they translate to other speakers, car speakers, club systems, etc.

If you know the speakers well enough, you can just about mix on anything.

Mixing is a job. Listening and enjoying the music is where coloration in the speakers is allowed. Otherwise you will need to get monitors with good flat response.

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Originally posted by camsr Mixing is a job. Listening and enjoying the music is where coloration in the speakers is allowed. Otherwise you will need to get monitors with good flat response.

i thought it was clear i'm gonna using them for production/mixin

@echosystm...i'll go out and listen to them before

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Originally posted by djsphere The romanian market isn't very wide so the choises in my price range are: - event alp 5 - alesis m1 mk2 - m-audio bx5 - rokit rp5 - behriger 2031a anyone using one of the above?

First off a very warm "hi there" to everyone here at TA.

To your question:
I wouldn't use anything out the ones you mentioned above.
If you're very short on budget you could consider the Yamaha Hs80 or Prodipe Pro8.

As long as you don't have a excellent room for a subwoofer-system i would only consider monitors with an 8" woofer, 6" or even 5" without a sub are too small for electronic musicproduction (maybe Genelec 8040 are alright without a ausb but they are a exception).

And above all, you should test them in your room.

If you can stretch your budget you should clearly aim for Adam A7. Nothing better in that league by very far.

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Originally posted by John Doe First off a very warm "hi there" to everyone here at TA. To your question: I wouldn't use anything out the ones you mentioned above. If you're very short on budget you could consider the Yamaha Hs80 or Prodipe Pro8. As long as you don't have a excellent room for a subwoofer-system i would only consider monitors with an 8" woofer, 6" or even 5" without a sub are too small for electronic musicproduction (maybe Genelec 8040 are alright without a ausb but they are a exception). And above all, you should test them in your room. If you can stretch your budget you should clearly aim for Adam A7. Nothing better in that league by very far.

Adam A7 have a 6" (6.5... same thing) woofer man... They are good, but you just shot yourself in the foot saying 6" isn't enough haha.

Also, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, since the crossovers used in most budget 8" speakers are absolute shit. Good luck getting any decent midrange out of a budget cone thats putting all its effort into producing deep bass!

You are actually far better off having a proper mid bass woofer and using a dedicated sub. But, that also has it's complications. 6" is a good trade off, hence why alot of popular monitors use them (BM5a, adam A7, etc.). Above 6", you have to go into a 3 way design to get awesome mids, unless using really high quality components - which you wont get at this end of the market.

Similarly, ones listening environment may not be suitable (and often isnt) for 8" drivers.

Welcome to TA

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Originally posted by camsr Mixing is a job. Listening and enjoying the music is where coloration in the speakers is allowed. Otherwise you will need to get monitors with good flat response.

So NS-10s would have to be pretty much the most uncoloured speaker ever?

Nigga plz. Your room is going to boost the crap out of random frequencies anyway, so +/- 1.5db linearity doesnt mean thats what you hear.

Flatness is a lie, translation is everything. If you understand where things are being boosted, you can compensate for them. This is why BT can mix on BX5s and countless records have been produced on NS-10s even though theyre both "bad". That said, you can't mix what isnt there. With that in mind I would lean towards a 6" as opposed to those 5"ers.

A NS10 isn't a NS10 isn't a NS10.

They are so dependent on the amp they're driven by.
and if you take a serious amp like a bryston 3b or even 4b, you are well over 2000$ with an NS10 setup. But people who use NS10 are just "mixing" on them, that means a great effort was done before in the "production" stage, where they already made the crucial decisions about the sound.
Ns10 are great for balancing and making the mids sitting right.

So you compare apples and oranges.

And believe me, those inwall-speakers in all good studios are not only for decoration they are essential, as much as a good pair of nearfields (as Adam S3a).

And I wouldn't even think one minute that BT uses BX5 at all, even if he does then not excusivly. He endorses the M-audio stuff and gets money from them (he advertises them), and you are by no means a victim of that as you believe in it ;-)

And monitors are for revealing at least as much important as traslation. How can something translate right when you don't hear half of the crap thats "translating".

Think about it.

I just purchased genelec 8040a's. I listened to the adams. and the mid/upper range was a bit harsh. Now i believe this to be because of the ribbon tweeter which has a characteristic sound that im not used to.

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Originally posted by djsphere anyone using one of the above?

I use the Alesis M1 mkII actives. I can recommend them if you don't want to spend alot of money.
There are better monitors out there, but they're good bang for the buck and they work great for me.

I think it just depends on how they sound to you, ive always thought the flatter the response the better for mixing. in response needing more than 8" woofers.. I have two EventTR6's they work great now that i have gotten used to them and I only payed like 300 american for them. I think the best advice is listen to them side by side and if you can listen to them in your room even better. just my 2cents

good news..i might get the yamaha's hs50m

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Originally posted by djsphere good news..i might get the yamaha's hs50m

You'll want 6" woofers, trust me.
Have a look at the Event TR6 or Alesis M1 mkII Actives.
Both are front ported which makes them so much easier to fit in a room.

djsphere - I think the Behringer 2031a are your best best bet out of that list. I haven't heard the rokit's but I have done exact AB comparisons between all the rest and the truth's (2031a) come out on top by far. They are mackie HR824 rip offs and they probably have the best bass response and the MID + Hi are still fairly clean.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate all Behringer kit and would not take it if i was paid but the truths are the one thing they got right.

Go listen to them - and just pretend they don't have the b word stamped on them - i think you'll find them best suited to what you're doing.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN djsphere - I think the Behringer 2031a are your best best bet out of that list. I haven't heard the rokit's but I have done exact AB comparisons between all the rest and the truth's (2031a) come out on top by far. They are mackie HR824 rip offs and they probably have the best bass response and the MID + Hi are still fairly clean. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate all Behringer kit and would not take it if i was paid but the truths are the one thing they got right. Go listen to them - and just pretend they don't have the b word stamped on them - i think you'll find them best suited to what you're doing.

I think theyre Genelec rip offs of 8030 or something or rather. It's just the outside cabinet though, the amps, crossover, speakers, and internals are all completely different.

I agree with you though, 5" isn't really going to cut it. I know I argued that a budget 8" woofer isnt going to give you great mids, but I guess it's better to hear everything crapily (and learn the downfalls) than hear a little bit "well". To poster: Those 5" speakers you listed arent really capable of giving decent bass, and you'll find it difficult to mix lower frequencies.

[quote]I think theyre Genelec rip offs of 8030 or something or rather. It's just the outside cabinet though, the amps, crossover, speakers, and internals are all completely different.[quote]



Firstly, how did Behringer manage to rip off speakers by genelec (8030's) about three years before Genelec came up with the design?

Secondly please look at:

http://www.djxpress.com.au/product_images_1/90-p.jpg

now look at

http://www.eddiemoorsmusic.co.uk/shop/images/hr824.gif

Apart from a bit of aesthetic changes on the front and the bass ports, they are pretty much identical.

Um... having the ports on the front is a major design difference man. The Mackies use a radiator on the rear, which is an entirely different cabinet tuning. It wasn't 8030s either, it was 1030s (oops).



1994 - 2005

I own a pair of genelec 88040's(which sound great is my small room) and unless you have a really nice huge room that is acoustically treated. I wouldn't get a larger woofer than 6.5 as standing waves will develop.

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Originally posted by echosystm Um... having the ports on the front is a major design difference man. The Mackies use a radiator on the rear, which is an entirely different cabinet tuning. It wasn't 8030s either, it was 1030s (oops). 1994 - 2005

Not correct. The 1030's may be front ported but only have 6.5" driver where as the Mackie hr824's have 8.75.....and I bet you can't guess the size of the driver on the Behringer truths....?

Also the mackies and the 2031a's are roughly the same size cab, but the gene's are smaller. Cosmetically the gene's are very similar but the 2031a's are based 824's.

fr0st - the 8040 are really nice for "smaller" monitors - probably the best choice at that price range.

1031a, 1991-2005, uses an 8" driver. 1030 is the equivalent of the 6" Behringer.

You're missing the point entirely DJ RANN. A radiator design, is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPE OF MONITOR from a port based. Anyone who knows anything about cab tuning knows this. If you look at the position and size of the ports, they are the same on the Genelecs and the Behringers.

Behringer copied the 1030 + 1031, look at the photos...




Genelec was the only company to use ports like that...
Accept it

HAHA, I also just noticed something... Genelec 1030/1031, Behringer 2030/2031. Coincidence?

http://www.ishibashi.co.jp/webshop/.../hr824-rear.jpg
http://www.musitec.com.br/images/ge...ear_panel.2.jpg
http://www.musitec.com.br/images/ge...ear_panel.2.jpg

The word OWNED comes to mind for some reason.

When chatting the the Behringer Rep (for whole of southern England) we discussed how these speakers were based on Mackie HR824's and how that's the model they were looking at competing with, but due to the amount of legal pressure Mackie were putting on them for reverse engineering other products at the time, someone decided to put ports on the front to make them cosmetically different to the HR824's.

And another thing it wasn't me who suggested "the 2031's were a rip off of 8030's er....i mean 1030's......umm... I mean 1031's." (Damn it why can't google just get it right for me all the time

Hey, all I'm trying to get accross is that there is a serious proliferation of the PR led crap that gets printed in these industry publications that seems to end up on this forum as "hands on opinion" even though in some cases it appears verbatim. I just wish more people would comment on what they have done, used installed, set fire to (etc.) rather than regurgitate what some copywriter has been told to by the marketing department of their magazine.

Apart from the ports in the front they actually look like the hr8245 as well.. And I can recall reading somewhere they where wactually based on the hr824's. Too bad I can't remember where I read it.

Your ignorance astounds me.

www.google.com

Read about speaker cabinet tuning, THEN try and come back and continue this debate. Trying to compare a radiator design to a front port is absolutely retarded. Also, you didn't "own" shit. All you have shown is that the Behringers have a heatsink panel roughly the same size as the genelec. Big whoop de doo, it doesn't mean anything, it's just a frigging heatsink for gods sake. In a ported design, the shape and position of the ports is EVERYTHING. Seeing as Behringer copied Genelec down to a T and Genelec WERE THE ONLY ONES TO EVER DO THAT, you would have to be a complete moron not to see that they're replicas.

Behringer 2030 is the Genelec 1030 copy. Behringer 2031 is the Genelec 1031 copy. It is so god damn obvious, even their model numbers are the same.

I'm not going to bother replying if you continue this stupidity. I don't care what their sales rep says, speaker science is laughing in his face. You probably didn't even consider the fact that he is a SALES REP and will say any old shit to get a sale. Seeing as Mackie dominate the budget 8" speaker market, it's only logical that Behringer sprouts some bs propaganda like that to get you to buy them. Use your brain, if you have one - If you copied a 15 year old speaker design, would you tell people THAT (Genelec)? OR would you compare it to the current product leading the market (Mackie)? I thought people were smart enough not to listen to sales people... I guess I was wrong.

^ i lol'd

[QUOTE]Originally posted by echosystm
Your ignorance astounds me.

www.google.com

Read about speaker cabinet tuning, THEN try and come back and continue this debate. [QUOTE]

dude, again:

....it wasn't me who suggested "the 2031's were a rip off of 8030's er....i mean 1030's......umm... I mean 1031's." Damn it why can't google just get it right for me all the time" <<<
I don't want to (do the same as you and) just read stuff so I can pretend that I'm the oracle, especially when most of the info I've read is sales blurb disguised as reviews (yes even on google!).

[QUOTE]I'm not going to bother replying if you continue this stupidity. I don't care what their sales rep says, speaker science is laughing in his face. You probably didn't even consider the fact that he is a SALES REP and will say any old shit to get a sale.[QUOTE]

...I'd prefer to take the word of someone who works for Behringer...


[QUOTE]Seeing as Mackie dominate the budget 8" speaker market, it's only logical that Behringer sprouts some bs propaganda like that to get you to buy them.[QUOTE]

Oh yeah, I forgot Mackie HR824's at about �700 (at the cheapest you'll find them) they really dominate the "BUDGET" speaker market. I can probably name half a dozen speakers that outsell the mackies in terms units, that are half the price.

[QUOTE]I thought people were smart enough not to listen to sales people... I guess I was wrong.[QUOTE] Again, just because you read it somewhere doesn't make it true, and as I've pointed out in all these posts; it's not me who listens (or reads) the sales guff and tries to call it my own knowledge.

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