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The following article was extracted from an online news site, and truly made me sick to my stomach. There are videos taken from a cell phone floating around the internet that happened to be linked to this article, however, I strongly discourage viewing them- I couldn't watch for more than a few seconds before I turned it off in pure horror/disbelief. The people that did this are a fucking disgrace to humanity. It's a true shame that people are capable of doing such a thing, and for what!?? Differences in religious beliefs?? Makes me absolutely sick. This girl was only 17 years old...


"The moment a teenage girl was stoned to death for loving the wrong boy
Last updated at 18:28pm on 3rd May 2007

A 17-year-old girl has been stoned to death in Iraq because she loved a teenage boy of the wrong religion.

As a horrifying video of the stoning went out on the Internet, the British arm of Amnesty International condemned the death of Du�a Khalil Aswad as "an abhorrent murder" and demanded that her killers be brought to justice.

Reports from Iraq said a local security force witnessed the incident, but did nothing to try to stop it. Now her boyfriend is in hiding in fear for his life.

Miss Aswad, a member of a minority Kurdish religious group called Yezidi, was condemned to death as an "honour killing" by other men in her family and hardline religious leaders because of her relationship with the Sunni Muslim boy.

They said she had shamed herself and her family when she failed to return home one night. Some reports suggested she had converted to Islam to be closer to her boyfriend.

Miss Aswad had taken shelter in the house of a Yezidi tribal leader in Bashika, a predominantly Kurdish town near the northern capital, Mosul.

A large crowd watched as eight or nine men stormed the house and dragged Miss Aswad into the street. There they hurled stones at her for half an hour until she was dead.

The stoning happened last month, but only came to light yesterday with the release of the Internet video.

It is feared her death has already triggered a retaliatory attack. Last week 23 Yezidi workmen were forced off a bus travelling from Mosulto Bashika by a group of Sunni gunmen and summarily shot dead.

An Amnesty International spokesman in London said they receive frequent reports of honour crimes from Iraq � particularly in the predominantly Kurdish north.

Most victims are women and girls who are considered by male relatives to have shamed their families by immoral behaviour.

Kurdish authorities have introduced reforms outlawing honour killings, but have failed to investigate them or prosecute suspects, added the Amnesty spokesman.

Kate Allen, the organisation�s UK director, said: "This young girl�s murder is truly abhorrent and her killers must be brought to justice.

"Unless the authorities respond vigorously to this and any other reports of crimes in the name of 'honour', we must fear for the future of women in Iraq."

It's ok--it's another culture. Who are we to judge?

Re: Iraqi girl

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Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU The people that did this are a fucking disgrace to humanity.

Certainly, but I think the reality is that the people who would not do this sort of thing, given the "right" upbringing, are the exceptions, not the rule.

that really is a shame

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Originally posted by inconspicuous It's ok--it's another culture. Who are we to judge?

It's okay.. followed by your little rolling eyes face!??
You know what? Fuck you- cause it's really not okay.

Nevermind.

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Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU It's okay.. followed by your little rolling eyes face!?? You know what? Fuck you- cause it's really not okay.

The sarcasm failed. It was intended to mock the ridiculousness of the statement. Correct--it's not ok.


...bah.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail [[ LINK REMOVED ]] pw = anonymous I haven't personally seen it, but I'm sure its not pretty

wai wai wai, you haven't watched this, but you're passing it around to people?

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Originally posted by Sunsnail [[ LINK REMOVED ]] pw = anonymous I haven't personally seen it, but I'm sure its not pretty

password isn't working

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Originally posted by inconspicuous The sarcasm failed. It was intended to mock the ridiculousness of the statement. Correct--it's not ok. ...bah.

Correct, the sarcasm did fail. My apologies for not recognizing it.

Based on our Western cultural and moral values, this is horribly wrong. Based on the indigenous cultural and moral values of northern Iraq, it's a way of life. Of course we are going to be outraged, but I think your indignation is hardly fair. And posting the video is only an attempt to incite further indignation. What's the point of that? To hate their culture? To support the War in Iraq? To gather support for your own personal moral outlook or to somehow validate it?

I'm not saying that what happened is right, because I certainly don't believe so. But I am saying that I don't believe you are in the right either for imposing your outrage on us for something that we can't possibly fully grasp.

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I seriously doubt he posted it to support the War in Iraq. Mainly because reading that only spurred my conviction to get out of there. Everybody's so damn PC these days. So fine, we can respect their beliefs by getting the Hell out of there and watching from a distance as they continue killing each other in the name of Allah. Watching respectfully, of course.

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Originally posted by Zharen as they continue killing each other in the name of Allah.

The community wasn't Islamic. I'm only pointing out cultural relativity and questioning why the OP would even feel the need to share his moral outrage. These kinds of value statements, whether I agree with them or not, are just extremely frustrating to me.

cor vers?

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Originally posted by igottaknow cor vers?

I guess a kurdish girl in iraq was dating a sunni muslim boy. her family found out & did not approve. She went out with the boy & came home late one night. Her male family members then dragger her out in the street & stoned her to death. fucking terrible.

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Originally posted by jonSun I guess a kurdish girl in iraq was dating a sunni muslim boy. her family found out & did not approve. She went out with the boy & came home late one night. Her male family members then dragger her out in the street & stoned her to death. fucking terrible.

bad stuff but it doesn't surprise me, after all we're talking about Iraq.

The sad thing about ethnocentric crimes is that they're almost always seen through the eyes of the same ethnocentrism that caused the problem in the first place

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Originally posted by inconspicuous The sarcasm failed. It was intended to mock the ridiculousness of the statement. Correct--it's not ok. ...bah.

We need a sarcasm smiley or something to make it obvious for people

Yeah I Saw this Video last week, I had to skip certain parts because it was so awful. They even pulled her pant's down exposing certain areas of her private bits, she screamed for help there was even a cop there FFS. I hope those responsible die of a horrible death taking life is wrong, no matter what laws she had broke.




For those that wish to watch it , Click here

http://media.filecabi.net/videos12/horrific-stone.wmv

NSFW

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Based on our Western cultural and moral values, this is horribly wrong. Based on the indigenous cultural and moral values of northern Iraq, it's a way of life. Of course we are going to be outraged, but I think your indignation is hardly fair. And posting the video is only an attempt to incite further indignation. What's the point of that? To hate their culture? To support the War in Iraq? To gather support for your own personal moral outlook or to somehow validate it? I'm not saying that what happened is right, because I certainly don't believe so. But I am saying that I don't believe you are in the right either for imposing your outrage on us for something that we can't possibly fully grasp.

I watched the video: some powerful shit. Death by stoning such a slow, painful death, I can't believe people have the heart to do something like that. Those guys with cell phones taking pictures are just as criminal. If I ever get sentenced to death, I hope it's by hanging or beheading.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Based on our Western cultural and moral values, this is horribly wrong. Based on the indigenous cultural and moral values of northern Iraq, it's a way of life. Of course we are going to be outraged, but I think your indignation is hardly fair. And posting the video is only an attempt to incite further indignation. What's the point of that? To hate their culture? To support the War in Iraq? To gather support for your own personal moral outlook or to somehow validate it? I'm not saying that what happened is right, because I certainly don't believe so. But I am saying that I don't believe you are in the right either for imposing your outrage on us for something that we can't possibly fully grasp.

Cultures are not something that are so incredibly ingrained and naturalized that we can't possibly understand them. Cultures aren't insular and they never have been. Statements like yours are ethnocentric in their own way and they don't nearly go far enough to be able to work against preventing injustice and human rights violations like these.

The shame is that this sort of thing happens over there..... it's the norm.

What is not the norm is for the rest of the world to be able to see it.

The internet...... will it make the world a better place, or will it destroy us?

Shocking vid. Poor girl.

Jarv

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Originally posted by Perfect_Cheezit Cultures are not something that are so incredibly ingrained and naturalized that we can't possibly understand them. Cultures aren't insular and they never have been. Statements like yours are ethnocentric in their own way and they don't nearly go far enough to be able to work against preventing injustice and human rights violations like these.

It was meant as a comment and not a course of action. The fact of the matter is that human rights are (unfortunately) not universal and never have been. Cultural values differ so greatly from locale to locale that it's nearly impossible to create a list of mutually agreeable human rights principles for the world to agree upon. For instance, it's been stated in this thread that it's wrong to take someone's life, but it's also been stated that those who stoned this woman should die horrible deaths. Those two assertions stand in direct opposition to one another. Which is right? The fact of the matter is that there is no answer. It's easy for us in, say, the United States to be indignant that the woman was killed, and yet we commute death sentences to dozens of individuals every year. It's also easy for us to demand just recompense for those who did the deed, but what does that accomplish? If we truly believe that no crime warrants death, how can we advocate such a sentence here? How is right to life in the face of a cultural crime a universal human right when we ourselves don't respect it?

My point here isn't to call us all hypocrites, but rather to point out that life is relative. We express outrage at the taking of her life while calling for the deaths of dozens more. Who are we to make either judgment?

As long as we're pointing out moral deficiencies... why, in the name of everything that makes sense in the world, would anyone want to watch the video? We're appalled by those who took the pictures, but clamor to see them. If you're so sickened by this story, then do something productive and join Amnesty or Oxfam. Engage with the issues and work toward a solution. It is extraordinarily disheartening to see people passively sit back and say "that's horrible, they should all die horrible deaths." Perhaps if we work towards greater cultural reconciliation, the actions of the girl will no longer be viewed as a crime, much less one punishable by death. Instead, we only manage to incite and perpetuate hate, mistrust, and ignorance through value-loaded cultural opinions.

The dumbest thing that world could have EVER done is displace Saddam Hussein (and subsequently kill him).

There. I said it.

Moan and b~tch if you like - don't matter. He was able to keep all these monsters in check. Here comes the brave Uncle Sam to liberate the oppressed people of Iraq... so that they can slaughter each other! Team America - F*CK YEAH!!!!!!!



Personally, Iraq deserved Saddam. He had the ballz and nerve to do what US (and most of civilized world) would never be able to do - keep these animals in check. The only way to do that is to gas, torture, mass murder THOUSANDS. ONly then you could keep it from self-imploding.

Way to go George W! You got rid of bad Saddam. Let's see what you can make of it by "winning their hearts and minds" Oh wait. It ain't working. Hm... Let's send more troops, more money, more resources! That will stop em. Oh. Wait. No it won't.

Oh well. If you fail, try and try and try over and over again. Unless you're skydiving. Or invading a country. Or minesweeping.

Anywho, rant over.

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