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Met a promoter....

Lets start with a little background. I went to some club last night (View, for all you Clevelanders). The DJ was spinning tech trance + some cheese and was pretty bad (trainwrecked more times than I could count). I was a bit drunk and started talking to the promoter. I informed him that I'm a bedroom DJ and have been at it for 8 months and that I'm already much better then the DJ that was playing. Needless to say, dude gave me his card and asked me to compile a demo for him.

The problem is that I'm a newbie and I suck at phrasing (although I can beatmatch well). The guy told me to get in touch with him before July and he may book me for a night.

I know that most of you guys will say that I'm not ready (which I'm not at this point), but I don't think such an opportunity comes often. What do you guys suggest? I'm done with school and have lots of time now to practice.

i suggest move it to dj booth

where is view? i grew up in cleveland

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Originally posted by nefardec i suggest move it to dj booth where is view? i grew up in cleveland

It's on Prospect. It's a bit to the east of ontario.

Yea, I figured that I should give it a shot, since I know I'm better then the guy that played tonight. However, i've never played in front of big crowds. I imagine that it's a bit intimidating.

EDIT: How hard is it to spin on CDJ1000 MK3s? I have Denon S1000 at home and I can't stand the crappy pitch resolution. I like to do long transitions, so I have to ride the pitch quite a bit at some points.

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Originally posted by Andryuha I imagine that it's a bit intimidating.

only if you let it be

Of course you should go man. I mean, if the guys does crappy trainwrecks transitions it shouldnt be too hard to out-mix him? Plus, im guessing 80% of all clubbers as in most of clubs doesnt really notice anything unless the cd skips badly.

Try to find out what kinda music they want to played at the club so that it fits their audience. Compile a mix and record it and then send it to the promoter. Since it will be your first time in front of an real audience on a club of course you'll be a bit nervous.

How do you know if you're ready or not if you havnt tried? Good luck!

do it, but if you can't even phrase correctly yet, you're not ready.

^^^^what he said^^^^

Also, you're in for a nasty shock if you expect to be able to walk into a club and beatmatch with the same ease that you can in the bedroom because you'll have all the reverb and echo.

Walk before you run.

Jarv

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister ^^^^what he said^^^^ Also, you're in for a nasty shock if you expect to be able to walk into a club and beatmatch with the same ease that you can in the bedroom because you'll have all the reverb and echo. Walk before you run. Jarv

To be fair you can't exactly practise beatmatching with all the reverb and echo until you actually get out there and play in a club.

I say go for it, if the DJ that they are currently hiring is as crap as you say then you've got nothing to lose and then you'll be getting some good 'on the job' practice.

stay glued to the decks 'till you can phrase. its pretty easy actually. just cue your records and let go ONLY on the 1st beat of a phrase (meaning cue up the 1st beat of the phrase in the track you wanna mix and... AND let it go on the first beat of the phrase of the track thats already playing). you can normally tell what part of the phrase the ongoing track is at by listening to a few beats. there should be a crash or a distinct change in sound telling you a new one has started most of the times.

yes follow Inertia


count ur bars

everything happens in 4's

every 4th, 8th, 16th, 32nd, bar


just count and ull understand how a trance trance is created

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Originally posted by theognis1002 yes follow Inertia count ur bars everything happens in 4's every 4th, 8th, 16th, 32nd, bar just count and ull understand how a trance trance is created

oh, I understand the concept, but counting gets a bit tedious. My biggest problem is that I usually mix in the incoming track right after a breakdown, cymbal crash, etc. and then after about one bar, you hear the breakdown or crash on the incoming track. It sounds very awkward to have 2 crashes in a row

Dude, send me a PM and I will try and explain it for you, there are ways to do this without counting as such.
In time it should become second nature.

The other thing, technically you could argue that you are not ready but on the other hand you will find that your level of learning increases tenfold when you get into a club scenario. Go for it man!

Besides if the promoter is prepared to give you the time then go for it.

There are also ways to get around the echo and reverb in a club. You will get used to it.

Cheers
Nem

+1 "The sound comes across so much differently"

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister ^^^^what he said^^^^ Also, you're in for a nasty shock if you expect to be able to walk into a club and beatmatch with the same ease that you can in the bedroom because you'll have all the reverb and echo. Walk before you run. Jarv

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrasing_(DJ)

that may give u an idea of phrasing. it's really a lot easier than u probably think.


good luck with getting booked. as alredy stated, if u really feel u are better than the guy that was on the decks - go for it!

Thanks for all of your replies so far. Please keep them coming!

I have another question now. I'd like to email this guy, but I'm not really sure what to include in it. I was thinking of writing something like this:

"Hello, "Promoter." My name is Andrey - we've met last saturday at "so- and- so party." As I mentioned before, I spin progressive, but I've never had a chance to play at a club before. You've informed me that there is chance of you booking me for one of your parties in the future. I am not sure if I could fulfill your needs, but I can can compile a demo so that you could decide for yourself. Please reply with any questions or comments. I would also like to know what kind of EDM you want me to use for the demo. My primary styles are trance and progressive and my major influences are DJs like Above and Beyond and Kenneth Thomas. Thank you very much. I hope to hear back from you

-Andrey"

What do you guys think?

if you really want it

i wouldn't be so fucking honest... doubtful he really cares anyways

just make a sweet demo and tell him you really want to play, and if he likes it enough your experience won't matter to him. that's your problem to solve

avoid overhyping yourself, but at the same time i don't think i would book a dj who says "i am not sure if i could fulfill your needs", because deejaying well takes balls


i've always been most successful when i just put myself in absurd situations and then figure them out later.

I wouldd say that "I am not sure if I could fulfill your needs, but I can can compile a demo so that you could decide for yourself." sounds really bad. It is as if you have no confidence in you abilitys. The way i see it your applying for a job, would you put on your coverletter "im not sure if i can do the job, but heres my resume and you tell me".

That being said i have no experience to offer :P So all i can do is give that one peice of advice. Try sound more confident, make him want to give you a try.

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Originally posted by Andryuha "Hello, "Promoter." My name is Andrey - we've met last saturday at "so- and- so party." As I mentioned before, I spin progressive, but I've never had a chance to play at a club before. You've informed me that there is chance of you booking me for one of your parties in the future. I am not sure if I could fulfill your needs, but I can can compile a demo so that you could decide for yourself. Please reply with any questions or comments. I would also like to know what kind of EDM you want me to use for the demo. My primary styles are trance and progressive and my major influences are DJs like Above and Beyond and Kenneth Thomas. Thank you very much. I hope to hear back from you -Andrey"

how i would word it:

"Hello, "Promoter." My name is Andrey - we met last saturday at "so- and- so party." As I mentioned at the time, I spin progressive. You informed me that there is a possibility of you booking me for one of your parties in the future. I will happily compile a demo for you to help in the decision. Please reply with any questions or comments.

I would also like to know what kind of music you want me to use for the demo. My primary styles are trance and progressive, with major influences from DJs like Above and Beyond and Kenneth Thomas.

Thank you very much for your time. I will look forward to hearing back from you.

-Andrey"

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Originally posted by Spoonz how i would word it: "Hello, "Promoter." My name is Andrey - we met last saturday at "so- and- so party." As I mentioned at the time, I spin progressive. You informed me that there is a possibility of you booking me for one of your parties in the future. I will happily compile a demo for you to help in the decision. Please reply with any questions or comments. I would also like to know what kind of music you want me to use for the demo. My primary styles are trance and progressive, with major influences from DJs like Above and Beyond and Kenneth Thomas. Thank you very much for your time. I will look forward to hearing back from you. -Andrey"

Thanks a lot man, that sounds so much better.

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Originally posted by Import I wouldd say that "I am not sure if I could fulfill your needs, but I can can compile a demo so that you could decide for yourself." sounds really bad. It is as if you have no confidence in you abilitys. The way i see it your applying for a job, would you put on your coverletter "im not sure if i can do the job, but heres my resume and you tell me". That being said i have no experience to offer :P So all i can do is give that one peice of advice. Try sound more confident, make him want to give you a try.

I actually completely agree with you. Looks like Spoonz has already fixed that for me!

Alright. Now he wants me to make him a demo. The only requirement is that it should be 70 min long. Should I mix up some softer tracks (my preference) or should I make a set that would be suitable for a club?

What i would do is forget about mixing a masterpierce with long intros etc. He wants to book you to play at his club which at the moment from what ive been reading sufferes from bad music choice. The start of the mix needs to bascially stop him in his tracks. If the first tracks takes too long to get into then he will just skip skip and skip all the way to the end of your cd. So imagine your taking over from the last dj whos been spinning from say 9-12 and you habve the headline slot. Start it with lots of intensity, keep it going with the odd breakdown here and there and end it with one track which will keep the mix stuck in his head.

You basically want him to remember you from this one mix!

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Originally posted by Armada_hk What i would do is forget about mixing a masterpierce with long intros etc. He wants to book you to play at his club which at the moment from what ive been reading sufferes from bad music choice. The start of the mix needs to bascially stop him in his tracks. If the first tracks takes too long to get into then he will just skip skip and skip all the way to the end of your cd. So imagine your taking over from the last dj whos been spinning from say 9-12 and you habve the headline slot. Start it with lots of intensity, keep it going with the odd breakdown here and there and end it with one track which will keep the mix stuck in his head. You basically want him to remember you from this one mix!

Thanks! I think I'll post the said demo here before sending it to him.

Cool would like to check it out. Dont be afraid to add some tracks to your mix that represent your style of music, in other words dont just put all the big anthems in there because the promoter said he likes electro or whatever. Promoters like a dj who can introduce them to new sounds as well as keep the dancefloor packed!

How about this one? [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

1. Kenneth Thomas - Preen
2. Ilya Malyuev - Jump the Change
3. Mind Eye feat. Emphased Reality - Shimmer (ava mea remix)
4. Espen and Elusive - Poetic Penetration
5. Smith & Pledger Pres. Aspekt - Hi Jack (Vocal Mix)
6. BCML - Mr. Horowitz
7. JPL - Your Whole Life
8. Jose Zamora and Damian Dp ft. Paleday - Transatlantic (andy moor remix)
9. Voodoo and Serano - Vulnerable (nick nite mix)
10. Narek & Danny Bullo - I Need Somebody (Matt Rowan & Jaytech Remix)
11. Andy Moor Vs Orkidea - Yearzero
12. Dominic Plaza - Sounds Rushing (David West Remix) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< My favorite tune right now


It's a bit on a soft side, but gives you an idea about my style and mixing ability (or lack thereof)

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