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Posted by Acuariano1951 on May-18-2007 12:30:

Ocean may be losing ability to soak CO2

I don�t want to be a negative thinking guy, but I think we must read this article!

Ocean may be losing ability to soak CO2 ...

WASHINGTON May 17/2007 - The ocean, which has absorbed some excess carbon dioxide from the atmosphere for centuries, may be losing that ability, a new report says.

The buildup of carbon dioxide in the air since the beginning of the industrial revolution has raised concerns that it would trap solar energy and cause a warming of the climate. The oceans are believed to absorb about one-quarter of human-related carbon emissions.

But researchers reporting in the journal Science say at least one large ocean area � the Southern Ocean that surrounds Antarctica � seems to be losing its ability to take up the gas.

Their four-year study concluded that an increase in winds over the Southern Ocean is preventing it from absorbing more carbon and is causing the sea to release some of the gas that it had stored.

"This is serious. All climate models predict that this kind of 'feedback' will continue and intensify during this century," lead author Corinne Le Quere of the University of East Anglia said in a statement.

In addition to East Anglia, researchers participating in the study were from the British Antarctic Survey and the Max-Planck Institute for Biogeochemistry in Jena, Germany.

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On the Net:

Science: http://www.sciencemag.org


Posted by Boomer187 on May-18-2007 17:54:

you negative nancy


Posted by Clovis on May-18-2007 20:58:

I read a New Yorker article about this last year, its been known for quite some time. The ocean's ph is changing because of the amount of carbon being absorbed. I think it said by 2075 most coral reef systems could be gone.


Posted by Jackson on May-18-2007 21:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
I read a New Yorker article about this last year, its been known for quite some time. The ocean's ph is changing because of the amount of carbon being absorbed. I think it said by 2075 most coral reef systems could be gone.


Yet on the other hand, higher co2 levels would also create higher levels of calcium...therefore encouraging hard coral growth


Posted by Sunsnail on May-18-2007 21:13:

I don't care about corals


Posted by Clovis on May-18-2007 21:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Jackson
Yet on the other hand, higher co2 levels would also create higher levels of calcium...therefore encouraging hard coral growth



Yeah except the change in acidity of the water affects algae that grow on the coral and allow it to survive, although I cant remember specifics. The article in fact had a section where they talked about an experiment at what was once the "bio-dome" in arizona where a scientist took over the coral reefs, and couldn't understand why they kept dying.

Good article, if I can look up what issue it was in, i'll post it.


Posted by Clovis on May-18-2007 21:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Sunsnail
I don't care about corals



You dont like Sushi?


Posted by Sunsnail on May-18-2007 21:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
You dont like Sushi?


no, why


Posted by igottaknow on May-18-2007 21:22:

The science isn't all in yet, we shouldn't take this too seriously


Posted by everett on May-18-2007 21:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Yeah except the change in acidity of the water affects algae that grow on the coral and allow it to survive, although I cant remember specifics. The article in fact had a section where they talked about an experiment at what was once the "bio-dome" in arizona where a scientist took over the coral reefs, and couldn't understand why they kept dying.

Good article, if I can look up what issue it was in, i'll post it.


... CO2 levels have been higher many times in the past.

I really don't think anyone ever think logically about... well anything, look how BIG the ocean is.

Plus the environmentalists are saying we are now putting so much CO2 in the the AIR to cause "global warming" AND in the oceans to saturate it? Give me a break


PS - C02 does not cause change in temperature, Temperature causes changes in CO2, thats why the "models" fit together from Al Gores show.


Posted by Clovis on May-18-2007 21:41:

quote:
Originally posted by everett
... CO2 levels have been higher many times in the past.

I really don't think anyone ever think logically about... well anything, look how BIG the ocean is.

Plus the environmentalists are saying we are now putting so much CO2 in the the AIR to cause "global warming" AND in the oceans to saturate it? Give me a break



I'm basing my logic on the writtings of scientists who specialize in what they do. Not how "big" I think something is.

It is big, but how many tons of CO2 do we create per day?


Posted by Jackson on May-18-2007 21:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Yeah except the change in acidity of the water affects algae that grow on the coral and allow it to survive, although I cant remember specifics. The article in fact had a section where they talked about an experiment at what was once the "bio-dome" in arizona where a scientist took over the coral reefs, and couldn't understand why they kept dying.

Good article, if I can look up what issue it was in, i'll post it.



The algae you mention is the symbiotic zooxanthellae that lives Within the corals. Sunlight feeds the algae which inturn feeds the coral. Being that zooxanthellae algae is an ancient single celled life form it spreads and adapts very quickly so i think they could withstand climate change better than other species.

I have to talk about this shit all day at work

It would be great to see the link Clovis.


Posted by Jackson on May-18-2007 21:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Sunsnail
I don't care about corals


You and your trees can go to hell then !!!!on3!!!


Posted by everett on May-18-2007 21:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
I'm basing my logic on the writtings of scientists who specialize in what they do. Not how "big" I think something is.

It is big, but how many tons of CO2 do we create per day?


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It's a good video that summarizes why we are not the cause of global warming. Let me know what you think

Btw, it addresses why "scientists" promote the idea of global warming caused by us thats why i bring it up


Posted by Clovis on May-18-2007 21:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Jackson
The algae you mention is the symbiotic zooxanthellae that lives Within the corals. Sunlight feeds the algae which inturn feeds the coral. Being that zooxanthellae algae is an ancient single celled life form it spreads and adapts very quickly so i think they could withstand climate change better than other species.

I have to talk about this shit all day at work

It would be great to see the link Clovis.



Sure. I'll try and find it for you, it might be even more interesting to yourself since I had to keep checking definitions as I went along


Posted by Clovis on May-18-2007 21:44:

quote:
Originally posted by everett
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It's a good video that summarizes why we are not the cause of global warming. Let me know what you think



I'm not watching a 5 minute video, it's not a 5 minute problem and there are no 5 minute solutions.


Also, your link is broken.


Posted by everett on May-18-2007 21:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
I'm not watching a 5 minute video, it's not a 5 minute problem and there are no 5 minute solutions.


Also, your link is broken.


It's an hour long btw

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Sorry about the broken link


If you refuse to watch it I really don't know what to say. I was trying to think of something whitty, but I can't lol


Posted by Clovis on May-18-2007 22:07:

quote:
Originally posted by everett
It's an hour long btw

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Sorry about the broken link


If you refuse to watch it I really don't know what to say. I was trying to think of something whitty, but I can't lol



The problem I have with arguing the other way is always the same. Whether or not certain effects of global warming are man made or not, a step towards capping emmissions, towards fuel efficient cars, towards better pollution control, imo, is always a step in the right way. Thats where I stand, and I have read countless papers and books to convince me of my positition written by people far more knowledgable on the subject than I am.


Posted by gehzumteufel on May-18-2007 22:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
The problem I have with arguing the other way is always the same. Whether or not certain effects of global warming are man made or not, a step towards capping emmissions, towards fuel efficient cars, towards better pollution control, imo, is always a step in the right way. Thats where I stand, and I have read countless papers and books to convince me of my positition written by people far more knowledgable on the subject than I am.

we need to stop the carbon credit program!


Posted by everett on May-18-2007 22:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
The problem I have with arguing the other way is always the same. Whether or not certain effects of global warming are man made or not, a step towards capping emmissions, towards fuel efficient cars, towards better pollution control, imo, is always a step in the right way. Thats where I stand, and I have read countless papers and books to convince me of my positition written by people far more knowledgable on the subject than I am.


The video also talks about why its not necessarily a good thing to force all this on people. I really really suggest you just take the time out and watch it. Please? lol


Posted by kadomony on May-18-2007 22:39:

i've been releasing gas all day today


Posted by Clovis on May-18-2007 23:01:

quote:
Originally posted by everett
The video also talks about why its not necessarily a good thing to force all this on people. I really really suggest you just take the time out and watch it. Please? lol



I just looked it up again, and I've already seen it. Its not bad, but like I said, I have my position and that video has not changed it.


Posted by Xenocreator_PG_ on May-18-2007 23:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Sunsnail
I don't care about corals


People like you should die

quote:
Originally posted by igottaknow
The science isn't all in yet, we shouldn't take this too seriously


A typical yanky consumer attitude.


here's a sobering self portrait for you:

http://www.chrisjordan.com/current_set2.php?id=7


Posted by Xenocreator_PG_ on May-19-2007 00:22:

great sig sunsnail


Posted by Fast Turtle on May-19-2007 00:24:

The problem is what happens when the resources are used up, since, as a competitive species, no one is going to stop making use of them.

The smart people (the ones in power or soon to be) are already working to control things once we run out of resources and begin quarreling over them. In order to ensure the longevity of our species (or whatever exceeds us), limitations of freedom will have to be imposed by future governments, and totalitarian control will be the norm (since obviously we can't control ourselves as individuals).


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