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New DJ asking for help

Hey, the name's Tyler or DJ Kakase hah
I just joined this forums and I've just recently started to get interested in making EDM.

I'm fascinated by DnB as well as Psytrance

I have Fruity Loops Studio 7.0 and I was just wondering where I should start out. I've made a few... poorly made songs, and was just wondering what I need to do for practice, if I need to set objectives or what.

Thanks =]

In before the people with flamethrowers Well, you need to listen to the music you wanna make and think about how to get those sort of sounds.
You'll need a midi keyboard too, don't try without one, a casio will work for now.
also, read articles in magazines etc. and go back through the forum looking up on google any terms you don't understand. Wikipedia and google are your friends.
Finally, you need to ignore all the people who'll rip into because your new to production.

Firstly, you need to learn the difference between a DJ and a producer. Once accomplished, come back to this thread and we shall continue your lessons.

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Originally posted by kitphillips You'll need a midi keyboard too, don't try without one, a casio will work for now.

So that's what's been wrong with my producing all these years...

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Originally posted by kitphillips In before the people with flamethrowers Well, you need to listen to the music you wanna make and think about how to get those sort of sounds. You'll need a midi keyboard too, don't try without one, a casio will work for now. also, read articles in magazines etc. and go back through the forum looking up on google any terms you don't understand. Wikipedia and google are your friends. Finally, you need to ignore all the people who'll rip into because your new to production.

Thank you :]
I appreciate an actual reply rather than sarcasm. I'll get on it.

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Originally posted by david.michael Firstly, you need to learn the difference between a DJ and a producer. Once accomplished, come back to this thread and we shall continue your lessons.

Is it not possible to be both? Or did you not consider the fact that he might already DJ, hence 'DJ Kakase', and might just want to get into production too?

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Originally posted by Kakase Hey, the name's Tyler or DJ Kakase hah I just joined this forums and I've just recently started to get interested in making EDM. I'm fascinated by DnB as well as Psytrance I have Fruity Loops Studio 7.0 and I was just wondering where I should start out. I've made a few... poorly made songs, and was just wondering what I need to do for practice, if I need to set objectives or what. Thanks =]

I have mention this before many times, but it has worked for me verry good. Take one of you today favorite tracks. Open a new project in your DAW, put this tracks in one of the Audio channels, oh and make shure it be a wav file and not mp3, cus mp3 can tend to sound a bit different than the original sound :P.. Anyway have this track as a "template" during your production.. Strart with the kick, bass and percs and listen to them verry carefully and try to focus on each different sound in the track, volume, freq. range, fx etc etc... Analyze the track with your ears and have a freq. analyzer on the master output... I think this is a greate way to practice on understanding how your gear sounds, Monitor, headphones etc etc.. Its importand to "get to know them".. Its good idea if you have a really good pair of headphones like the AKG 701 or Byerdynamics DT 990 Pro is some i woulld suggest... Then start with one sound like the Kick, and then percs. Take one sound at a time and try to recreate them.. Maybe its sounds to hard or boaring, well then you shouldnt start producing eather... Then when creating the sounds and "analyzing" the track i would use the headphones for this to get a more detailed sound image.. then do the final mix down on the monitors (this is how i do it and it has worked for me, so this is just a tip.. So if someone flames me here i will eat you alive )

One last thing, dont post a question like how do i create this bass, this lead, this perc etc etc..! Cus soon you will be flamed, atleast in this forum... Try, and try hard to make the sound your self.. Then if you dont get it..TRY HARDER.. .. ! If you where to post a question.. Make it good one... Not something like How do i create a psytrance bassline? = Prepare to be eaten alive... Nah just kiddng but i hope you undertsand what i mean..

Good luck
C

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Originally posted by substorm I have mention this before many times, but it has worked for me verry good. Take one of you today favorite tracks. Open a new project in your DAW, put this tracks in one of the Audio channels, oh and make shure it be a wav file and not mp3, cus mp3 can tend to sound a bit different than the original sound :P.. Anyway have this track as a "template" during your production.. Strart with the kick, bass and percs and listen to them verry carefully and try to focus on each different sound in the track, volume, freq. range, fx etc etc... Analyze the track with your ears and have a freq. analyzer on the master output... I think this is a greate way to practice on understanding how your gear sounds, Monitor, headphones etc etc.. Its importand to "get to know them".. Its good idea if you have a really good pair of headphones like the AKG 701 or Byerdynamics DT 990 Pro is some i woulld suggest... Then start with one sound like the Kick, and then percs. Take one sound at a time and try to recreate them.. Maybe its sounds to hard or boaring, well then you shouldnt start producing eather... Then when creating the sounds and "analyzing" the track i would use the headphones for this to get a more detailed sound image.. then do the final mix down on the monitors (this is how i do it and it has worked for me, so this is just a tip.. So if someone flames me here i will eat you alive ) One last thing, dont post a question like how do i create this bass, this lead, this perc etc etc..! Cus soon you will be flamed, atleast in this forum... Try, and try hard to make the sound your self.. Then if you dont get it..TRY HARDER.. .. ! If you where to post a question.. Make it good one... Not something like How do i create a psytrance bassline? = Prepare to be eaten alive... Nah just kiddng but i hope you undertsand what i mean.. Good luck C

Ah thanks man =] That sounds like a really good idea, not boring at all. I'll give it a shot and see how it turns out.

I've actually been playing with some VSTs in Floops and I'm starting to learn how to create certain sounds =]

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Originally posted by dj_palm these are the worst tips i have ever seen. DONT listen to the music u wanna make caus u dont want to copy do you??? But once u have made a track its ok to compare to others to realy hear if u suck or not compared.

Eather you cant read or you are just plain stupid! Read my os again and try to understand what i wrote!

Wait here is it in BIG LETTERS!

ITS FOR PRACTICING, THERE DOESNT SAY ANYWHERE THAT HE SHOUDL COPY THE DAMN TRACK! ITS A GOOD WAY OF LEARNING YOUR GEAR AND PRICTICING SOUNDS IF YOU CANT AFFORD AN MUSIC PRODUCTION EDUCATION. THIS IS ONE OF THE BASIC LESSONS IN MUSIC PRODCUTION TO UNDERSTAND!


AND I WROTE THAT IF SOMEONE COMMENTS MY POST I WILL EAT YOU ALIVE!!!!

YES YOU ARE BEING AN ASSHOLE TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT ACTULLY WANTS TO HELP!

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH? ELLER M�STE JAG SKRIVA P� NORSKA F�R ATT DU SKA FATTA?

Man people like you can really make me pissed!!!!

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Originally posted by substorm YES YOU ARE BEING AN ASSHOLE TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT ACTULLY WANTS TO HELP!

Yeah, I dont read this forum much, but there seems to be a lot of that in here. Almost every thread in this production section has someone flaming someone else, seemingly for no other reason than flaming someone just for the sake of it, just like david.michael's post in this thread.

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Originally posted by dj_palm these are the worst tips i have ever seen. DONT listen to the music u wanna make caus u dont want to copy do you??? But once u have made a track its ok to compare to others to realy hear if u suck or not compared. WHY do you need a midikeyboard, and why casio? READ articles in magazines? gimme a break, thats just useless info, commercials and news in those. WHY do u need to learn terms to produce music? Just turn the knobs and read the knobs names and u understand it much better. And finaly, WHY would u ignore all the people commenting your music as this is the best way to find out if ur any good? OMG im sorry to be an arse but a new producer should NOT follow your tips. Just play with the FruityLoops and have fun in the start. Dont push yourself to hard just try to make some fun sounds etc. And start asking things here after a while when u know abit more. You could also read the stickies for a easy introduction. Sorry for being an asshole but i couldnt hold it.

Well, I think I should reply to this...

I understand your argument for not copying music, but where did I say to copy, I just said listen and try and emulate those sounds to learn what the knobs on your keyboard do. Its just for practise really, just randomly twisting knobs with no idea of what they do and in the vain hope that you'll come across something worth recording is a stupid way to work. Even if you have a sound in your head first and try to emulate that on a synth that's better. But the idea of paying close attention to tracks you like is to try and get you to pay attention to individual elements of the mix, which is something your average listener never does, they cant tell the difference between a guitar and a piano half the time Paying attention to individual elements and listening for that sort of thing is part of making the transition from being a listener to a producer.

I didn't say it had to be casio, I just meant that it doesn't matter if the midi keyboard is crap, as long as you have one. If you believe you don't need a keyboard chances are your music is crap. Sorry, but if you want any sort of melody/harmony or even very interesting beats, a keyboard is pretty necessary.

You should read magazine articles and websites etc because they are a good thing for beginners to learn from. They may be nothing you and I don't know, but to a beginner they have stuff they've never heard of before.

You need to learn terms to produce music so that when you come on here to ask questions you can understand what people are telling you to do, are you saying that a new producer shouldn't have any idea of what the release knob does on their synth?

And finally, your comments on others opinions are sickening. Music should come from your soul not from what others tell you it should sound like. Further up you said that you shouldn't copy, but how is it original to just take what other's say and use that. Hypocrisy.

If twiddling knobs randomly and then going to your mates and asking them if it sounds good works for you, then go for it, personally I think its stupid.

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Originally posted by substorm Eather you cant read or you are just plain stupid! Read my os again and try to understand what i wrote! Wait here is it in BIG LETTERS! ITS FOR PRACTICING, THERE DOESNT SAY ANYWHERE THAT HE SHOUDL COPY THE DAMN TRACK! ITS A GOOD WAY OF LEARNING YOUR GEAR AND PRICTICING SOUNDS IF YOU CANT AFFORD AN MUSIC PRODUCTION EDUCATION. THIS IS ONE OF THE BASIC LESSONS IN MUSIC PRODCUTION TO UNDERSTAND! AND I WROTE THAT IF SOMEONE COMMENTS MY POST I WILL EAT YOU ALIVE!!!! YES YOU ARE BEING AN ASSHOLE TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT ACTULLY WANTS TO HELP! IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH? ELLER M�STE JAG SKRIVA P� NORSKA F�R ATT DU SKA FATTA? Man people like you can really make me pissed!!!!

What the HELL are you on about?

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Originally posted by kitphillips If you believe you don't need a keyboard chances are your music is crap. Sorrt, but if you want any sort of melody/harmony or even very interesting beats, a keyboard is pretty neccesary.

What the hell? How does a keyboard make anyone a better composer? That's the most ridiculous claim I've ever read anywhere.

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Originally posted by substorm

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery What the hell? How does a keyboard make anyone a better composer? That's the most ridiculous claim I've ever read anywhere.

How can you compose without a keyboard, you can't get very far by drawing notes in in a sequencer, or do some people actually work like this?? I know some people who do this I guess, but they do all glitch and DnB type stuff, not trance, which has a strong melody by nature. A keyboard doesn't make you a better composer it just allows you to compose.

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Originally posted by kitphillips How can you compose without a keyboard, you can't get very far by drawing notes in in a sequencer, or do some people actually work like this?? I know some people who do this I guess, but they do all glitch and DnB type stuff, not trance, which has a strong melody by nature. A keyboard doesn't make you a better composer it just allows you to compose.

Just because you can't get very far by drawing notes doesn't mean nobody can. I consider my tracks to be fairly melodic and I've never needed a keyboard of any kind.

wholy crap, angry people in a thread and I didn't cause it!

times are leaving me behind.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Just because you can't get very far by drawing notes doesn't mean nobody can. I consider my tracks to be fairly melodic and I've never needed a keyboard of any kind.

OK congratulations. Your special.

EDIT: Well, I just listened to one of your tracks, A Path Less Travelled, its really quite nice, but there is no melody you know... At least not in the sense I meant. I can see how you can get by without a keyboard, for YOUR style of music, I still think that for most styles of trance a keyboard is pretty neccesary, styles like those of Armin, PvD, Above and Beyond, all the people you commonly associate with trance.
I'm actually suprised there is any argument about this.

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Originally posted by kitphillips EDIT: Well, I just listened to one of your tracks, A Path Less Travelled, its really quite nice, but there is no melody you know... At least not in the sense I meant. I can see how you can get by without a keyboard, for YOUR style of music, I still think that for most styles of trance a keyboard is pretty neccesary, styles like those of Armin, PvD, Above and Beyond, all the people you commonly associate with trance. I'm actually suprised there is any argument about this.

Congratulations, you managed to listen to the one track I've made without melody.

Keyboard isn't necessary. Handy and useful - yes, necessary - no.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Congratulations, you managed to listen to the one track I've made without melody. Keyboard isn't necessary. Handy and useful - yes, necessary - no.

i actually agree here i produced without a keyboard for quite a while and i still do it sometimes. when i have an idea i just draw it in as i no what way its gona turn out.

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum Yeah, I dont read this forum much, but there seems to be a lot of that in here. Almost every thread in this production section has someone flaming someone else, seemingly for no other reason than flaming someone just for the sake of it, just like david.michael's post in this thread.

It was a genuine suggestion. Yes, I was a smart-ass about it, but meh. No reason to get panties in a bunch.

However, the person who pointed out that perhaps he was already a DJ and wanted production help had a point, so, sorry for my misunderstanding if that's true.

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How can you compose without a keyboard, you can't get very far by drawing notes in in a sequencer, or do some people actually work like this?? I know some people who do this I guess, but they do all glitch and DnB type stuff, not trance, which has a strong melody by nature. A keyboard doesn't make you a better composer it just allows you to compose.

I composed for years without a MIDI controller... and now that I have one, I barely use the keys on it.

i draw all my beats and percussion in on the piano roll. i dont have a midi controller. i would only use my jp 8000 for pads everything else gets drawn in.

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Originally posted by sterilis i draw all my beats and percussion in on the piano roll. i dont have a midi controller. i would only use my jp 8000 for pads everything else gets drawn in.

Yeah, I end up toying with the keyboard for pads and chord progressions but I often end up clicking them into my sequencer once I have a sound I like anyway.

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Originally posted by dj_palm i can see you hammer that midikeyboard fast as hell to make hihats.

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