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No back taxes

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I believe that illegal immigrants who have roots in our country and want to stay should have to pay a meaningful penalty for breaking the law, to pay their taxes, to learn English, and to work in a job for a number of years. People who meet these conditions should be able to apply for citizenship ... [E.A.]

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Appears Bush is pulling the back taxes out of the bill that was given in his speech about a year ago...

Sounds like a good idea since I'm sure that's one hell of a lot easier than trying to figure it all out to begin with; aka accountants' nightmare.

It makes sense anyways since, even if they're there illegally, they would have paid at least some taxes with all their retail purchases while in the country.

It's a nice olive branch and, I think, a good start for our Southern neighbors...

If we had the Fair Tax, all the illegal aliens would be paying their taxes at the same rate as everyone else. If they buy anything at the 23% tax rate, there would be no problem with back taxes.

Bush has always been a middle-ground kind of politician about illegals. he has genuine compassion for them and he'll always put business first.

most Republicans lack that first part, and i think it will hurt the party in the long run to go too conservative on this seeing as how most of the 12 million illegals over here share a lot of conservative values.

Re: No back taxes

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r >>Source<< Appears Bush is pulling the back taxes out of the bill that was given in his speech about a year ago... Sounds like a good idea since I'm sure that's one hell of a lot easier than trying to figure it all out to begin with; aka accountants' nightmare. It makes sense anyways since, even if they're there illegally, they would have paid at least some taxes with all their retail purchases while in the country. It's a nice olive branch and, I think, a good start for our Southern neighbors...

All the bill needs to work now is the cooperation of corporations. Lots of companies have told their employees if they go back home to apply for their citizenship as stated in the bill they won't have their job when they get back. Even if someone wants to regularize their status, with such a stringent job market, many will not.

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Originally posted by Q5echo ... seeing as how most of the 12 million illegals over here share a lot of conservative values.

how?

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd how?

Are you kidding? It's the religion. The Mexicans are stereotypically very devout Catholics.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Are you kidding? It's the religion. The Mexicans are stereotypically very devout Catholics.

Which is a real head scratcher; why would devout Catholic knowingly cross the border illegally...

They must give confession at least twice a week...

throw in a few hail Marys for good measure....

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Which is a real head scratcher; why would devout Catholic knowingly cross the border illegally... They must give confession at least twice a week... throw in a few hail Marys for good measure....

Probably rationalizing like this: Crimes that aren't against God, like breaking made-up borders aren't really crimes, so they don't need to confess...

And before someone says it about my first post, yes, I know, not all 12 million estimated are Mexican, but they're the majority due to their easy access combined with poor homeland conditions.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Probably rationalizing like this: Crimes that aren't against God, like breaking made-up borders aren't really crimes, so they don't need to confess... And before someone says it about my first post, yes, I know, not all 12 million estimated are Mexican, but they're the majority due to their easy access combined with poor homeland conditions.

See, here's the other thing I don't get.
I was under the impression that Mexico was turning itself around for the better?
They're certainly much better off than they were say, 10-20 years ago when the Peso just about collapsed but evidently, not enough for everybody...

Here's some economic stats for Mexico to prove my point further.

http://www.economist.com/countries/...mic%20Structure

Carlos Slim is one rich Mexican.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Which is a real head scratcher; why would devout Catholic knowingly cross the border illegally...

Living on the other side of the Rio Grande, I must say I've never noticed any contradiction regarding this situation. Religiously, being an illegal immigrant is not a crime - moving from a country to another is really just like moving from a state to another.

As a matter of fact, no matter how wrong this is politically, I can't consider it an immoral crime either.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r See, here's the other thing I don't get. I was under the impression that Mexico was turning itself around for the better? They're certainly much better off than they were say, 10-20 years ago when the Peso just about collapsed but evidently, not enough for everybody...

Perhaps you should compare the purchasing power of an unskilled laborer in the US vs. Mexico to answer your question. Then factor in the purchasing power of a person in Mexico receiving remittances from relatives working in the US.

Hell, even taking currency differences alone, there's a reason why far more canadians are vacationing in the US (Canadian currency is no longer a "joke") and why I would love to (and am trying to) move to London to earn my wages on the pound.

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Originally posted by Lira Living on the other side of the Rio Grande, I must say I've never noticed any contradiction regarding this situation. Religiously, being an illegal immigrant is not a crime - moving from a country to another is really just like moving from a state to another. As a matter of fact, no matter how wrong this is politically, I can't consider it an immoral crime either.

So you don't believe in protecting your own borders?

Immigration is one thing, illegal immigration is illegal for a reason, politically and morally.
I certainly don't walk in other people's house's because I don't feel it's not immoral to do so; there's no difference here.

Borders are borders for a reason.

That doesn't make me, 'xenophobic' or anything I just believe that if they want to come into my country, they should follow the law of the land.
If they break it just to come into the country, the logical question is, what other law are they going to break since they believe they are 'above' the most basic one before coming?

That doesn't even begin to compare how selfish they are when there are good, hard working immigrants trying to get in legally.

Aliens don't have some moral superiority to enter the country.
Get in line like everyone else and there will be no problems.

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Originally posted by occrider Perhaps you should compare the purchasing power of an unskilled laborer in the US vs. Mexico to answer your question. Then factor in the purchasing power of a person in Mexico receiving remittances from relatives working in the US. Hell, even taking currency differences alone, there's a reason why far more canadians are vacationing in the US (Canadian currency is no longer a "joke") and why I would love to (and am trying to) move to London to earn my wages on the pound.

If you compare to Americans sure; that's part of the problem right there.
Aliens want to both ways; American $$ to spend back home in poor Mexico.

And as a Canadian, going to Mexico, just don't end up dead...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Appears Bush is pulling the back taxes out of the bill that was given in his speech about a year ago...

Bush flip-flop on something?
Well I never!


Actually if they kicked all the Mexicans out of the US I think they'd find themselves a lot poorer because of it considering the economic benefits of what is essentially unregulated employment (low wages-higher profits) for light industry and agriculture. People might whine about the pressure on health systems, schools and law enforcement being bloated by illegal migrants, but the reality I suspect is a much smaller sum than the actual benefit of cheap labour for jobs that the locals just simply won't do anyway.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r So you don't believe in protecting your own borders?

Not the way it is done. I don't really believe the existence of international borders is a necessary one, to begin with.

I'd need a very long post in order to explain why I'm in favour of a global approach to human migration... would you mind waiting a little?

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Originally posted by Lira Not the way it is done. I don't really believe the existence of international borders is a necessary one, to begin with. I'd need a very long post in order to explain why I'm in favour of a global approach to human migration... would you mind waiting a little?

I'd be willing to wait that one out

Personally, I don't subscribe to the 'One love' mantra even if we do all have the same basic make-up.
It sounds all nice and flowery but there's something to be said in solidarity in which not everyone agrees to dilute their own 'traditions' or culture; call it pride if you want.
Again, not trying to sound xenophobic here, I'm all for mixing cultures (God knows I love Hakka and Vietnamese food; I love Toronto!) and learning the stories and cultures of others but the reality is, not everyone wants that.
Anyways, I look forward to hearing what you got to say Lira.

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