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Posted by _Ocean_Drive_ on Jun-01-2007 16:52:

Bush family link to Nazis

An old chestnut, but it got posted in teh c0re, and I thought it might be of interest to PDD.

Posted by Sunsnail on Jun-01-2007 17:34:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

Posted by shaolin_Z on Jun-01-2007 18:41:

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Originally posted by Sunsnail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

Doesn't apply here. Historical records are historical records. It applies much more to the Al-Quaeda myth (i.e. there is no organized network of terrorist cells).

Posted by NeoPhono on Jun-01-2007 22:25:

I think it does apply. Or are you really saying we should judge an individual based on the actions of their ancestors? I'm sure we all have some ancestor somewhere in our lineage that has done a "bad" thing, does that make us all bad people then?

Maybe I'm alone in the belief that a person should be judged on their own actions and not on another's.

Posted by shaolin_Z on Jun-01-2007 22:40:

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Originally posted by NeoPhono
I think it does apply. Or are you really saying we should judge an individual based on the actions of their ancestors? I'm sure we all have some ancestor somewhere in our lineage that has done a "bad" thing, does that make us all bad people then?

Maybe I'm alone in the belief that a person should be judged on their own actions and not on another's.

No one's "judging" Bush by the actions of his "predicesors." It is however incredibly naive to assume it has no impact on his veiws, world view, or upbringing. And so far, he's done a pretty good job to destory his credibility and arouse further suspision. All you need to do is take a look at his war policy based on unfounded fear and lies, and legislation passed by his administration (i.e. the Military Commisions Act, Patriot Act, and Detainee Bill). Spitting on the bill of rights and tearing the constitution to shreds isn't an indication of "incompitance" or some minor character flaw, it's unpatriotic and unamerican to the core. There are tons of parallels there. I'm assuming you know what the Enablement Act was and the Reichstag Fire was. Even taking in to consideration that you believe the goverment had nothing to do with 9-11, eventhough it's undebatable that it had foreknowledge and refused to act; it's irrelevant, the fact of the matter is Hitler and the Nazi party used the Reichstar Fire to start a (or multiple) wars of aggression and centralize power. We already have concentration camps in America, I've posted about them before, and I learned about them form an interview with and EX-CIA ANALYST AND VETERAN WHO BRIEFED MUTIPLE ADMINISTATIONS AND PRESIDENTS! That would be Ray McGovern, who's been with the CIA over two decades. But I suppose that's all irrelevant. The power of denial, got to love it... OR NOT!

Edit: And sorry if I sound like I'm screaming, but I am.

Posted by NeoPhono on Jun-01-2007 23:09:

You can judge him by his own actions all you want, but as I said, I refuse to project the actions of a person's ancestors on them, regardless of who they are or how tempting it may be. I'm not a fan of Bush, but I don't find any benefit in looking at his grandparents when making an opinion of him. What they did is what they did and what he does is what he does, there is no blending in my opinion. I have no desire to be looked at in terms of those who came before me and I will not look at others in that light in order to make a point or justify a belief in them.

Posted by shaolin_Z on Jun-01-2007 23:11:

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Originally posted by NeoPhono
You can judge him by his own actions all you want, but as I said, I refuse to project the actions of a person's ancestors on them, regardless of who they are or how tempting it may be. I'm not a fan of Bush, but I don't find any benefit in looking at his grandparents when making an opinion of him. What they did is what they did and what he does is what he does, there is no blending in my opinion. I have no desire to be looked at in terms of those who came before me and I will not look at others in that light in order to make a point or justify a belief in them.

Alright, then Iraq should have been left in the hands of Sadaam's son (by your logic).

Posted by NeoPhono on Jun-02-2007 02:07:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Alright, then Iraq should have been left in the hands of Sadaam's son (by your logic).

I'm not following your logic about my logic on that one.

Posted by DJ Shibby on Jun-02-2007 02:11:

Posted by shaolin_Z on Jun-02-2007 02:32:

Posted by NeoPhono on Jun-02-2007 04:14:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
One more thing, this ancestor isn't exactly somewhere in the really distant past or anything eigther.

We're talking about GW's grandfather and the Nazis, right? So, we're talking 1930's to 1940's. GW was born in 1946 which pretty much coincides with the fall of Nazi Germany. Unless GW was conspiring with the Nazis as a fetus, or somehow went back in time to work with grandpa Bush, I fail to see how what his grandfather did has any bearing on GW.

With the Hussein boys, you have a clear time line where they worked alongside their father committing atrocities. You can draw direct ties between what Saddam did and what his sons did. GW wasn't even alive when his grandfather did whatever it is he may have done. Again, I can't fault someone for something that happened via the hands of an ancestor before they were even born.

Posted by shaolin_Z on Jun-02-2007 04:24:

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Originally posted by NeoPhono
We're talking about GW's grandfather and the Nazis, right? So, we're talking 1930's to 1940's. GW was born in 1946 which pretty much coincides with the fall of Nazi Germany. Unless GW was conspiring with the Nazis as a fetus, or somehow went back in time to work with grandpa Bush, I fail to see how what his grandfather did has any bearing on GW.

With the Hussein boys, you have a clear time line where they worked alongside their father committing atrocities. You can draw direct ties between what Saddam did and what his sons did. GW wasn't even alive when his grandfather did whatever it is he may have done. Again, I can't fault someone for something that happened via the hands of an ancestor before they were even born.

That has nothing to do with what I said and no one said or implied GWB was "conpiring with the Nazis." No one's "faulting" GWB for what his grandfather did eigther. Although there is a clearer relation between Sadaam and his son, but that's not what you originally said at all and still has nothing to do with what I said.

Posted by Q5echo on Jun-02-2007 04:37:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Although there is a clearer relation between Sadaam and his son, but that's not what you originally said at all and still has nothing to do with what I said.

then what the hell are you saying?

Posted by Fir3start3r on Jun-02-2007 05:19:

Big woop I say.

My ancestry goes back to the Vikings, that doesn't mean I rape and pillage...

Sure one may have genetic tendencies or traits but becoming a traitor? AFAIK, being a traitor isn't a genetic trait...

Posted by NeoPhono on Jun-02-2007 12:50:

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Originally posted by Q5echo
then what the hell are you saying?

Yeah, I gotta agree. What are you saying then?

Posted by LazFX on Jun-02-2007 14:46:

I think we all know whats going on....... lol

Posted by shaolin_Z on Jun-02-2007 20:56:

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Originally posted by NeoPhono
Yeah, I gotta agree. What are you saying then?

Well, he comes from a scum bag corrupt degenrate family, with a dark family history, and himself is a corrupt degenerate scum bag. Carrying on the family legacy. What a big surprise eh?

Posted by shaolin_Z on Jun-02-2007 20:57:

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Originally posted by LazFX

I think we all know whats going on....... lol

Oh how cute, the child knows how to use the image tags . That would make your IRS masters pedophiles since you're a child.

Posted by LazFX on Jun-02-2007 21:30:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Oh how cute, the child knows how to use the image tags . That would make your IRS masters pedophiles since you're a child.

I no longer for the I.R.S. ....I started working for a sub-net of the N.S.A., specifically to track terrorist sympathizers on the Internet....

so you had better watch it. lol

Posted by shaolin_Z on Jun-02-2007 21:33:

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Originally posted by LazFX
I no longer for the I.R.S. ....I started working for a sub-net of the N.S.A., specifically to track terrorist sympathizers on the Internet....

so you had better watch it. lol

Haha! Now way! You moved up the ladder huh? Yeah right! When are you officially becoming a spook?

Posted by LazFX on Jun-02-2007 21:46:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Haha! Now way! You moved up the ladder huh? Yeah right! When are you officially becoming a spook?

Since last month...... still work nights.......Jumped from Grade 12 to Grade 13 (thats the pay scale)......did not get authorized to work specifically for the anti-terrorism branch (ie; carry a gun, and get to kick in doors) due to my criminal record was not clean...however, my knowledge in networking and all of its shadowy aspects was good enough to get into the special unit...

Posted by shaolin_Z on Jun-02-2007 21:49:

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Originally posted by LazFX
due to my criminal record was not clean...

LOL, let me guess. That involved pot didn't it?

Posted by LazFX on Jun-02-2007 22:00:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
LOL, let me guess. That involved pot didn't it?

Actually no.....never have had any issues with that...(was always smart, had others buy it ) I had a couple of assault charges from when I was like 18 and 19 years old...then a case I picked up 4 years ago that was dismissed; another assault....but that son of bitch had it coming....(my ex's punk ass boy friend, touched me when my ex would not let me see my kids...ON FATHERS DAY!!!) but it was dismissed, but the NSA does a back ground check so far back that they can tell what the fuck I had for dinner on Sept 6, 1998 lol