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Brits Boycott Israeli Universites

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/04...on/edfoxman.php


Pretty sick if you ask me - regardless of your political allignments and opinions on palestinian conflict, why the hell start boycotting people who are just trying to learn?

This isn't a quetion about anti isarelism or anti zionism its a question of anti-semitism.

These british unions have been denying isareli noble lauretes to come and speak and their universites.

A growing backlash has been growing and the petition link is http://www.petitiononline.com/stopucu/petition.html

Blah, who thought the arab/israeli conflict would trump academic freedom

It's a sad day for liberty
:-(

Awesome!

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Originally posted by cdzromm This isn't a quetion about anti isarelism or anti zionism its a question of anti-semitism.

Bullshit. I have more semitic blood than any Jew I know, including my girlfriend. Ashkhenazi aren't even semitic to begin with, most Sephardic Jews who ARE semitic were killed during the holocaust. Arabs are semites btw, just in case you didn't know that.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Bullshit. I have more semitic blood than any Jew I know, including my girlfriend. Ashkhenazi aren't even semitic to begin with, most Sephardic Jews who ARE semitic were killed during the holocaust. Arabs are semites btw, just in case you didn't know that.

what's your point...

anti zionism is against a political movement and I'm stating that this boycott is against an ethic group thus i use the term anti-semitism. (a semite is an umbrella term and in this case I am specifically referring to jews)

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Originally posted by cdzromm what's your point... anti zionism is against a political movement and I'm stating that this boycott is against an ethic group thus i use the term anti-semitism. (a semite is an umbrella term and in this case I am specifically referring to jews)

Which makes the usage of the term "anti-semitism" favouring one semitic group exculsively racist to begin with, and that it isn't anti-semitism at all. Unless someone hates all Arabs and [semitic] Jews, they couldn't possibly be "anti-semitic."

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Which makes the usage of the term "anti-semitism" favouring one semitic group exculsively racist to begin with, and that it's isn't anti-semitism. Unless someone hates all Arabs and [semitic] Jews, they couldn't possibly be "anti-semitic."

Than under your definition of "anti-semitic" who could possibly be an anti-semite?

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Originally posted by cdzromm Than under your definition of "anti-semitic" who could possibly be an anti-semite?

That's my point exactly, it's a bullshit term to begin with along with it's usage to end criticism of Israel and Zionism. I never heard of a black/hispanic guy complaining about "anti-blackism/hispanicism," everyone else just uses one word, "racism."

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z That's my point exactly, it's a bullshit term to begin with "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_Semitism


that's a pretty hefty statement to say

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Originally posted by cdzromm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_Semitism that's a pretty hefty statement to say

How so? Every group has been persecuted and suffered racism/prejudice. Why are Jews so damn special? Stalin killed far more people than Hitler, how come they aren't mentioned when people talk about the Holocaust? Hitler didn't only kill Jews btw, he was a fucking crazy Aryan supremacist who wasn't even Aryan himself, which makes it all the more ironic.

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Originally posted by cdzromm This isn't a quetion about anti isarelism or anti zionism its a question of anti-semitism.

Are they boycotting Jews?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Are they boycotting Jews?

They're boycotting every academic institution in Israel soely because they are Israeli.

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Originally posted by cdzromm They're boycotting every academic institution in Israel soely because they are Israeli.

And that's anti-Semitic?!

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Originally posted by George Smiley And that's anti-Semitic?!

yes... yes that is anti semitic

the boycott has absolutely nothing to do with the academic institutions themselves. The reaons for the boycott are not academically related (such as lets say lack of educational funding, or lack of teacher benifits) the boycott is based upon political issues and qualms that these institutions have absolutely no control over no any interest in.


stop acting so stupid.

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Originally posted by cdzromm yes... yes that is anti semitic the boycott has absolutely nothing to do with the academic institutions themselves. The reaons for the boycott are not academically related (such as lets say lack of educational funding, or lack of teacher benifits) the boycott is based upon political issues and qualms that these institutions have absolutely no control over no any interest in. stop acting so stupid.

The academia of countries is usually a driving force for change. Academia is also supposed to be the institution that evaluates current events critically and bouches for policy change. In this sense, they are related to the political events. The US has been doing this to Cuba for ages. Where is your outrage for Cuba?

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Originally posted by venomX The academia of countries is usually a driving force for change. Academia is also supposed to be the institution that evaluates current events critically and bouches for policy change. In this sense, they are related to the political events. The US has been doing this to Cuba for ages. Where is your outrage for Cuba?

well said.

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Originally posted by cdzromm yes... yes that is anti semitic

No it is not.They just love to call anyone anti-semitic for whatever reason.

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Originally posted by cdzromm yes... yes that is anti semitic the boycott has absolutely nothing to do with the academic institutions themselves. The reaons for the boycott are not academically related (such as lets say lack of educational funding, or lack of teacher benifits) the boycott is based upon political issues and qualms that these institutions have absolutely no control over no any interest in. stop acting so stupid.

But is anti-semitism not discrimination against Jews?

I'm boycotting the British.

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Originally posted by Shaolin_Z Awesome!

...and you.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson I'm boycotting the British.

Don't boycott the British just yet. Check out this NY Times article that provides a little more perspective.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/w...l?ref=education

Glad they are boycotting that terrorist nation

Where did our thread starter go? He seems to have disappeared.

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Originally posted by cdzromm yes... yes that is anti semitic the boycott has absolutely nothing to do with the academic institutions themselves. The reaons for the boycott are not academically related (such as lets say lack of educational funding, or lack of teacher benifits) the boycott is based upon political issues and qualms that these institutions have absolutely no control over no any interest in. stop acting so stupid.

So lets say Brits boycott Jamaican universites...Does this make them anti-rastifarian?

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I told myself never to enter this forum again for it's really time consuming, but I'll make an exception this time.

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Originally posted by George Smiley But is anti-semitism not discrimination against Jews?

yeah it is. if these so "righteous" brits weren't anti-semitic, they would boycott the US for their "war crimes" in Iraq (and I didn't forget the british army there too - so maybe they should boycott themselves? ). or the palestinian universites for the missiles launched into Sderot (and I can make you a list of a lot more countries they should boycott or should have boycotted for war crimes). then their act wouldn't be anti-semitic.
and I wonder if palestinians students who go to Israeli universities will be boycotted too...

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Originally posted by venomX The academia of countries is usually a driving force for change. Academia is also supposed to be the institution that evaluates current events critically and bouches for policy change. In this sense, they are related to the political events. The US has been doing this to Cuba for ages. Where is your outrage for Cuba?

Yes but Cuba is banned for human rights abuses, torture, etc., etc. where Isreal is not.

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Cuba remains the one country in Latin America that represses nearly all forms of political dissent. President Fidel Castro, during his 47 years in power, has shown no willingness to consider even minor reforms. Instead, the Cuban government continues to enforce political conformity using criminal prosecutions, long- and short-term detentions, mob harassment, police warnings, surveillance, house arrests, travel restrictions, and politically-motivated dismissals from employment. The end result is that Cubans are systematically denied basic rights to free expression, association, assembly, privacy, movement, and due process of law.

>>Source<<

The same certainly can't be said of Isreal on such a scale.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Yes but Cuba is banned for human rights abuses, torture, etc., etc. where Isreal is not. >>Source<< The same certainly can't be said of Isreal on such a scale.

True, but that is a weak argument. The brits could easily say that they consider what Israel is doing as human right abuses, torture, etc.. By your logic, the ban would then be valid.

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