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EDM is so watered down for mainstream IT MAKES ME SICK.

Earlier tonight I was searching for a vocal edit of Leonid Rudenko - Summerfish. It is quickly becoming my summer anthem, and I eagerly await the remixes that are sure to come. XM was playing the instrumental for a few weeks then started working the shorter vocal remix into regular rotation. Obviously the true EDM fans want a full length, progressive sounding remix of the original with vocals. This brings us to what really disturbs me.

I found a download link for a "promo only June '07" disc which contained the "vocal radio edit" version of Summerfish. It's extremely short, the lyrics are rearranged, and it does not give the listener a chance to truly enjoy the track. Included in this promo only set were a few more popular tracks that I enjoy hearing on XM, however, the versions in the promo only set were COMPLETELY BUTCHERED.

This is a problem for me personally as a huge EDM fan because half-assed remixes like this are what so many mainstream and party DJ's use when they work. It's now NO FUCKING WONDER TO ME why so many people who would potentially enjoy EDM are turned off by it! They are used to hearing this watered-down, alice dee-jay, mainstream HORSE SHIT. Another track in the June PO set is Kim Leoni's Again, and while that is not a trance or progressive house track it is a decent track in it's own right. The promo only version is AWFUL. It's fucking UNLISTENABLE. I could critique the other 19 tracks from the set, but most of them are GARBAGE. I digress....

My point is that the electronic dance music that mainstream america hears on the radio and at social functions is fucking watered-down SHIT. It's no wonder EDM doesn't gain the popularity and recognition it deserves outside of our community. Hearing this garbage is like watching only the first 3 quaters of a football game and not knowing the final score. When are radio stations, DJ's and record companies going to realize that a lot of people actually enjoy hearing music in it's raw form; not chopped up and edited in such a way that almost everyone who hears it will somewhat enjoy it but mostly just tolerate it?

There's SO MUCH good electronic dance music out there, and I have turned many people on to it who would otherwise not ever have given it a chance due to the GARBAGE they are fed. It amazes me that a genre of music which most often carries a positive underlying message and vibe is simply overlooked while other genres are glorified and spoon fed to the public. Slutty pop songs, meaningless EMO, and violent rap are KING despite the fact that they promote nothing good while EDM is ignored.

While it is a sad state of affairs for our favorite music there is hope and I feel that EDM is moving in a positive direction and slowly getting the recognition it deserves.

"Just let yourself go, do what you like, and blame it on the DJ."

every popular genre has the mainstream crap at the forefront and quality music behind it. it was just a matter of time before edm became accessible enough to follow the same formula

EDM has way too much recognition as it is already - even the "good" stuff is getting diluted more and more all the time. The more any genre gets mainstream, the more it will be bastardized.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery EDM has way too much recognition as it is already - even the "good" stuff is getting diluted more and more all the time. The more any genre gets mainstream, the more it will be bastardized.

is it because it is getting more mainstream? or because it is so easy to produce now with the technology we have, that more shit tracks are made and more lables exisit?

from my point of view it is the second.

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Originally posted by nchs09 is it because it is getting more mainstream? or because it is so easy to produce now with the technology we have, that more shit tracks are made and more lables exisit? from my point of view it is the second.

It's both, actually.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery It's both, actually.

good music is still found though, i must agree, it is harder and harder to come by.

I didn't read any of that, but get over it.

Of course it's commercialised.

Just find the good stuff and stop complaining.

stop crying

it is what it is.

3 years ago, the same ppl saying this were begging to hear any edm on the radio,tv,etc

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Originally posted by nchs09 Or because it is so easy to produce now with the technology we have, that more shit tracks are made and more lables exisit? from my point of view it is the second.

Definitely.. Trance (and the likes) is damn easy to make.. and people new to it will accept those shitty "uplifting" trance by number tracks, so people continue recycling the same shit over and over again.. totally shadowing the real gems out there. Forcing the people who appreciate more than a happy melody, driving percussions and formulatic arrangements into smaller and smaller groups.

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Originally posted by nchs09 is it because it is getting more mainstream? or because it is so easy to produce now with the technology we have, that more shit tracks are made and more lables exisit? from my point of view it is the second.

getting more mainstream = bigger demand. Bigger demand => bigger supply, also with the technology we have now indeed and labels that are willing to release about anything.

It is like this in all genres though. all new music on the radio sounds about the same, until there comes this guy who makes one different track out of a hundred.

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Originally posted by Subtle until there comes this guy who makes one different track out of a hundred.

...and then everyone starts copying that.

But yeah, it's hardly just trance's problem.

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Originally posted by Subtle Definitely.. Trance (and the likes) is damn easy to make.. and people new to it will accept those shitty "uplifting" trance by number tracks, so people continue recycling the same shit over and over again.. totally shadowing the real gems out there. Forcing the people who appreciate more than a happy melody, driving percussions and formulatic arrangements into smaller and smaller groups.

= someone who "gets it". The only party I disagree with is that EDM is "damn easy" to make. There is some truth to that wherein with new technology it is quite easy to create electronic music. It is NOT easy to create QUALITY electronic dance music that has substance and longetivity.

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Originally posted by 6 Hubert St = someone who "gets it". The only party I disagree with is that EDM is "damn easy" to make. There is some truth to that wherein with new technology it is quite easy to create electronic music. It is NOT easy to create QUALITY electronic dance music that has substance and longetivity.

Definitely not easy to create great pieces of electronic music that holds the tests of time, or contains some creative sampling or vocal work of some sort.

But as far as trance goes:

1. Go grab FL
2. Get the Vengeance Essential Club sounds samples
3. Get some synth (preferably VST`s that has a vengeance soundset available)
4. Practise for a year or so, by listening to Sean Tyas and A State Of Trance.
5. Send your demo`s to digital labels around the world, if that dont work, make ur own label

note: all of the above does however require a great deal of patience, but no creativity is needed. Also, make sure you use as much headroom as possible..

w8 it's easy? Rly?

people who use preset are just a fade neway

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Originally posted by Joca Bedroom producers killed trance??

It was a trap, bedroom producers used cheap tricks to lure, and Armin bought it! Then it died, and is now walking like a zombie amongst us.

Re: EDM is so watered down for mainstream IT MAKES ME SICK.

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Originally posted by 6 Hubert St While it is a sad state of affairs for our favorite music there is hope and I feel that EDM is moving in a positive direction and slowly getting the recognition it deserves. DJ."

Personally, I could care less if EDM gets recognition from the "pop" crowd. I enjoy it and don't care what people think of the music I constantly listen to. Deep down it takes a commitment from the listener to enjoy and understand the music (by that I mean understanding what the mood the producer is trying to convey through their track) so that you don't just hear a whole bunch of noises and a kick drum. You won't find many people who are very passionate and willing to research their music like most of us do.

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Originally posted by Subtle It was a trap, bedroom producers used cheap tricks to lure, and Armin bought it! Then it died, and is now walking like a zombie amongst us.

Quick response, I just deleted that comment

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Originally posted by Joca Personally, I could care less if EDM get's recognition from the "pop" crowd. I enjoy it and don't care what people think of the music. Deep down it takes a commitment from the listener to enjoy and understand the music (by that I mean understanding what the mood the producer is trying to convey through their track) so that don't just hear "cool noises" and a kick drum.

I agree.. i like when good trance gets commercially recognised. Which happens rarely..

The problem though, as I see it.. is that radio`s and such labels cheesy dance stuff as trance, hence giving the main public the perception that trance is some kind of mindless "dunk-dunk" music. While the real proper good trance, will never ever even given a chance, its all pre-assumtions..

The really good trance, or EDM will always stay with a minority of people.. simply cause people have made up their minds already..

edm is not worth being popular neway

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Originally posted by HaeD edm is not worth being popular neway

And why is that?

You can't hate just because it's getting popular, if that's your only reason than I wouldn't be surprised if you have a new favorite genre every 2nd hour. I can understand if you hate the transformation from what something was into a more 'marketable' sound and question why it changed.... but seeing how this site is, if they were still using the old technology to produce, we would have a thread here saying "why don't producers get some new, high tech equipment?".

There is some really good melodic progressive house and breaks out there, and some trance, but there's also a lot of crap. You just have to look elsewhere, other than stuff being released as of late on Armada, Anjunabeats and Euphonic. Toes In The Sand, Tilth, Pure Substance, Existence, Morrison...those are all good labels. And as far as trance, there are still some decent stuff out there. The best recent trance track IMO is "Hope" by Lemon & Einar K. I wish there were more like that. Something can still be melodic and uplifting, without sounding cheap.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 "Hope" by Lemon & Einar K. I wish there were more like that.

Hope is a sweet track, however for me it's all about Autumn Radicals.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery And why is that?

cuz of the dumb kick pattern and the baby boomer

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Originally posted by HaeD cuz of the dumb kick pattern and the baby boomer

Okay then.

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