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CDJ 1000 MK3's bpm readout

Just wondering if anyone has tested how accurate this is. I'm just beginning and have been using the pitch bar to set the same bpm on both cdj's, however, I'm uncertain how close this is getting me to the same bpm on both tracks, and when I get the beats matched it seems to fall out relatively quickly. Any advice?

Much appreciated.

Thanks

Re: CDJ 1000 MK3's bpm readout

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Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU Just wondering if anyone has tested how accurate this is. I'm just beginning and have been using the pitch bar to set the same bpm on both cdj's, however, I'm uncertain how close this is getting me to the same bpm on both tracks, and when I get the beats matched it seems to fall out relatively quickly. Any advice? Much appreciated. Thanks

the range between 128 and 129 bpm big. 50 different places big. so if you set them to 129 both they wont just magically be beatmatched.


and its sort of accurate. i mean sometimes i have 2 songs matched and one says 111 and the otherone 128........... or 129 and 128

i hope i did not conffuse you.

Thanks.. at least I know that they can't be trusted with 100% accuracy now. So how do you go about getting the two tracks beatmatched? Say you counted and new a tracks bpm. Do you count both tracks and use the pitch bar to adjust until it matches the other track? I'm not sure if I worded that question correctly. Thanks again

Ears......

eh.. this is like basic dj stuff. i think you need to understand how it works.. did u buy a pair with out knowing?

imagine you have one track @ 123.42bpm. that track will probably show up as 123 on the cdj

now imagine you want to mix another track. this new track is 123.38bpm. it will show up also as 123 bpm.


each time you move the slide you are moving it .02 so you have to get the 123.38 to get to 123.42

and like someone said, you do it by ear.

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Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU Thanks.. at least I know that they can't be trusted with 100% accuracy now. So how do you go about getting the two tracks beatmatched? Say you counted and new a tracks bpm. Do you count both tracks and use the pitch bar to adjust until it matches the other track? I'm not sure if I worded that question correctly. Thanks again

I use vinyl and dont have any beat counters you dont need them just gotta listen and after practice it becomes a 6th sense.

Bought the MK3's after screwing around with virtual dj for a long time. needless to say it's a bit different than just pushing a button and having everything beatmatched for you, however, I enjoy the challenge. I appreciate the advice and I'll just keep practicing and I'll get it with time.

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Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU Bought the MK3's after screwing around with virtual dj for a long time. needless to say it's a bit different than just pushing a button and having everything beatmatched for you, however, I enjoy the challenge. I appreciate the advice and I'll just keep practicing and I'll get it with time.

fantastic... practice and have fun and in no time you will be matching tracks!

Yeah man, they're not 100% perfect but they give you a ballpark. I do agree about trying to force yourself to use only your ears first. It is a good skill to have down the road.

ears

also

set them to a grid in ableton and write the bpm down

And make sure you get the firmware update that fixes the bpm problem for older mk3s.

And don't trust the bpm meter until you've confirmed with your own ears that it's accurate

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Originally posted by EvilTree And make sure you get the firmware update that fixes the bpm problem for older mk3s. And don't trust the bpm meter until you've confirmed with your own ears that it's accurate

I didn't know about that..
I bought these used but supposedly they were only 3 months old. They're in great shape, but I really don't know how old they are for sure. Any specific way of finding out if it needs a firmware update? I'm confident that they're probably good to go, but I'd like to confirm just in case.

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Originally posted by EvilTree And make sure you get the firmware update that fixes the bpm problem for older mk3s. And don't trust the bpm meter until you've confirmed with your own ears that it's accurate

what are you talking about? because now you have made me wondered if i need to do this to mine

hols down the "reloop/exit" button for like 10 seconds and itll tell you what version firmware is loaded. If you have 2.00 or earlier you need the update. I called Pioneer ProDJ division and they sent me an update CD free of charge so I'm assuming they would do it for you as well if you need it. If you dont want to wait for it you can even download the firmware update from somewhere.

cheers
-andrew

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster hols down the "reloop/exit" button for like 10 seconds and itll tell you what version firmware is loaded. If you have 2.00 or earlier you need the update. I called Pioneer ProDJ division and they sent me an update CD free of charge so I'm assuming they would do it for you as well if you need it. If you dont want to wait for it you can even download the firmware update from somewhere. cheers -andrew

Mine says MAIN Ver.2.00

So, I guess I actually do need the update?
What does the update actually do???

Thanks for this information.

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Found the information on this page: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/support/details/0,,2076_310070179_310094117_tab=B,00.html?compName=PNA_V3_SupportDetailsComponent

Hey Andrew do you know if the 1000mkII have a firmware update?

As far as I know the only thing the update does is a few tweaks like:

improve master tempo, readability of scratched and damaged discs

so it's not like your missing out on something without it! But I do understand that this fixes problems that people have encountered with the Pio decks.

To Clovis:

As far as I understand these firmware upgrades are only for the Mk3 and 800mk2 and DVJ1000 specifically.

Cheers,
Andrew

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster As far as I know the only thing the update does is a few tweaks like: improve master tempo, readability of scratched and damaged discs so it's not like your missing out on something without it! But I do understand that this fixes problems that people have encountered with the Pio decks. To Clovis: As far as I understand these firmware upgrades are only for the Mk3 and 800mk2 and DVJ1000 specifically. Cheers, Andrew

Yeah I just looked all over the site and couldnt find anything. Thanks.

As a beginner myself, it's good to be able to post a reply and not just questions. My advice would be to forget the counters until you can do it by ear. My mixer has a BPM readout but I stuck tape over it so as not to learn to rely on it. It's better to trust yourself than your equipment.
When my CDJs came I played around for six months and still couldn't do it by ear. I got pissed off with the whole thing and put them back in the box for another six months. When I got them out again I played around for a month and found I was beatmatching 4 out of 5 tracks by ear pretty easily. Don't know what happened, it just came to me.
Maybe you should download a tiny manual counter called WinBPM, or VirtualDJ is fairly accurate. Then pick two tracks that are close-ish, like 128 to 130 so you'll know the range more or less and see if you can get them together by ear. Another way I learned was to put track B way too fast and just take it down till my ears told me it was beatmatched. That way you eliminate the doubt of which track is playing faster than the other.
Also, learn to make small adjustments on the jog-wheel to keep them together when they're not perfect.
I found it very difficult but persevere and you'll get there.

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