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Beatmatching with a NO-Bass track

I have a problem bringing in a track that starts off with NO bass beats.

Sometimes it sounds ok, but other it does not. And then eventually when the beat kicks in its way off. How do you guys take care of this???

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict I have a problem bringing in a track that starts off with NO bass beats. Sometimes it sounds ok, but other it does not. And then eventually when the beat kicks in its way off. How do you guys take care of this???

Maybe check what time the beat kicks in in ms and seconds and adjust accordingly?

skip to where the beat comes in, beat match it from then on and you'll know its correct when you go to mix

start mixing it in from the first beat......

what you're talking about is almost impossible or pure luck. Mixing an intro tune into another is quite tuff.

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Originally posted by nchs09 start mixing it in from the first beat......

well i know that solution...but sometimes i really really like the intro and would love to use it

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Originally posted by Arnozilla what you're talking about is almost impossible or pure luck. Mixing an intro tune into another is quite tuff.

i figured...

damn i thought u "experts" had some kind of trick


EDIT: actually how about this....If using Traktor or some software i could just beatmatch with the part that has a beat and then just beatjump back to the beginning....would this work?

just beatmatch in your cans with the other elements of the track besides the bass? the secret trick is using your ears

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Originally posted by Arnozilla what you're talking about is almost impossible or pure luck. Mixing an intro tune into another is quite tuff.

Not impossible as you can get a good beatmatch through a breakdown which is a similar as one track isn't playing any beats. Make sure the intro is properly phrased & you should be able to do it. The hard part is launching the track at the perfect point when you have no beats to line up as you'll get some galloping beats if you don't get it spot on You could always do what TazZ-erT said & beatmatch from the first beat then re-cue from the start of the track.

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Originally posted by Trance Android Not impossible as you can get a good beatmatch through a breakdown which is a similar as one track isn't playing any beats. Make sure the intro is properly phrased & you should be able to do it. The hard part is launching the track at the perfect point when you have no beats to line up as you'll get some galloping beats if you don't get it spot on You could always do what TazZ-erT said & beatmatch from the first beat then re-cue from the start of the track.

awesome!

thanks for all the advice everyone!

or then you could do a re-edit of the track and putting some beats before the intro (you have to check that they're phrased correctly though). then just beatmatch it normally and bring it in after the beats you added have ended. should work like a charm if you've done the re-editing right and beatmatched it well.

no way is it impossible, as already said, use other elements of the track, ie: the hats or the claps (claps would probly be safest in this situation as the generally play on each beat)

the key is knowing ur tracks... teach ur ears where the beats of the track would be so u can match them with the playing track... most of all - practise!

Yeah, try using the hi's to beatmatch. That's actually how I do it pretty much all the time.

You can mix intros, it's a lot like mixing ambient music, but to do it well...your tunes have to be in compatible keys (no key clashes) or just be on the safe side and mix in/fade out quickly. It's cool to use an ambient intro in a set, and then mix in the next track's intro without the bass.

i generally don't even listen to bass sounds when beatmatching. it's all about the offbeat percs

a lot of the time i will kill the bass and gain the track in my headphones when matching to get very tight snare matches, etc

Re: Beatmatching with a NO-Bass track

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict I have a problem bringing in a track that starts off with NO bass beats. Sometimes it sounds ok, but other it does not. And then eventually when the beat kicks in its way off. How do you guys take care of this???

practice

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Originally posted by nefardec i generally don't even listen to bass sounds when beatmatching. it's all about the offbeat percs a lot of the time i will kill the bass and gain the track in my headphones when matching to get very tight snare matches, etc

hmm should def try that.

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Originally posted by nefardec i generally don't even listen to bass sounds when beatmatching. it's all about the offbeat percs a lot of the time i will kill the bass and gain the track in my headphones when matching to get very tight snare matches, etc

I do that as well

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Originally posted by Hasneez I do that as well

yep, it's so mucbh easier to hear if it's synced or not, good advice

I'll definitely have to +1 all the above posts - for whatever reason, it seems that most DJ's I know seem to feel that once they learn how to match the highs their mixing becomes infinitely tighter.

It's kind of strange, I still remember what it felt like the first time I realized I didn't have to use a kick to mix - at first it seemed like "Oh fuck, neat! I can do somenthing new!" and then a few days later I was kicking myself for not trying it sooner

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Originally posted by RJT I'll definitely have to +1 all the above posts - for whatever reason, it seems that most DJ's I know seem to feel that once they learn how to match the highs their mixing becomes infinitely tighter. It's kind of strange, I still remember what it felt like the first time I realized I didn't have to use a kick to mix - at first it seemed like "Oh fuck, neat! I can do somenthing new!" and then a few days later I was kicking myself for not trying it sooner

Definitely. Mixing on highs def makes the mixes tighter b/c it's easier to tell when they get even slightly off. For anyone that wants to try this out, I personally still use the first kick in a bar to cue the track so that the beats line up...although, if anyone has a better method, i'm always open to trying new ways.

When I'm playing in clubs though, I still tend to mix on the lows b/c their systems are soooooo bass-heavy and the sound is so in-your-face that it drowns out everything. If you want to start with an ambient track, you could always use the cop-out method of pre-mixing the first two tracks in ableton or such until you get comfortable mixing/matching on more subtle sounds.

hey man, I know what you mean by wanting to have that intro even tho there is no bass to follow with. there are a few things to do here... you can use the high's of the track if there are any. If not then you are going to have to skip into the track till there are beats and determine the bpm, match it so that ur on par. once done start the song over again (now with the bpm in mind) and cue to a part of the intro you want. If not, then learn that particular track, which means listening to it like theres no tomorrow to the point that you know what comes in where and when to cue it. if that doesnt make sense PM me and I'll give u my msn.

Play the intro over the break of the other tracks (yes this could also be seen as the most lame way of mixing). You beatmatch your tracks perfectly and when you play this break and intro over each other it would just sound as good as a beatmatch with beats.

You know what I mean?

thanks for all the info! you guys are very helpful

I usually use the melody of the track if there's no percussion in the beginning.

I also use the hi-hats, whatever percussion is playing, and etc.

If it's nearly impossible... I search through the track for the first bass-drum, beatmatch from there, and once I got the track at the correct (knowing to increase/decrease the speed at the moment the song becomes out of sync), I go back the first phrase of the song, cue it up, and I PRESS the play button on the new phrase of the out-going track .... of course, you have to make sure you got it on the spot.

takes a lot of practice, but, it makes your mixing a lot more smooth.... if that made any sense, that is :P

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