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Rushdie knighthood may spark terrorism: Pakistan (AFP) 18 June 2007 ISLAMABAD - Pakistan demanded on Monday that Britain withdraw a knighthood awarded to author Salman Rushdie, as a government minister said the honour gave a justification for suicide attacks by Muslims. Angry protesters in several cities torched British flags and beat them with their shoes in protest at the accolade for the Indian-born writer of �The Satanic Verses� and chanted �Death to Britain, death to Rushdie.� Rushdie, 59, was forced to go into hiding for a decade after Iran�s Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 1989 issued a death sentence over his book �The Satanic Verses,� claiming it insulted Islam. Iran has already accused British leaders of �Islamophobia� after Rushdie -- now Sir Salman -- was awarded the knighthood by Queen Elizabeth II on Saturday to mark her 81st birthday. �If somebody has to attack by strapping bombs to his body to protect the honour of the Prophet, then it is justified,� Pakistani Religious Affairs Minister Ijaz-ul-Haq told the national assembly. The minister, the son of military dictator Zia-ul-Haq who died in a plane crash in 1988, later retracted his statement in parliament and said he meant to say that knighting Rushdie could spark terrorism. �I was explaining that if the British government awards a knighthood to Salman Rushdie -- whose only credibility is that he wrote a blasphemous book -- then such action with encourage extremism,� he told AFP. �If someone blows himself up he will consider himself justified. How can we fight terrorism when those who commit blasphemy are rewarded by the West?� he said. He said Pakistan should sever diplomatic ties with Britain if it did not withdraw the award, adding: �We demand an apology by the British government. Their action has hurt the sentiments of 1.5 billion Muslims. The national assembly earlier unanimously passed a resolution condemning the knighthood given to Rushdie. �We demand that Britain should refrain from such acts which hurt the sentiments of Muslims and take back the title of Sir given to Rushdie,� parliamentary affairs minister Sher Afgan said. The resolution added that the award would encourage �contempt� for the Prophet Mohammed. Pakistani Foreign Office spokesman Tasnim Aslam warned that the British honour would harm efforts to promote understanding between Muslim nations and the West. �We deplore the decision of the British government to knight him. This, we feel, is insensitive and we would convey our sentiments to the British government,� she added. Dozens of students from hardline Islamic schools in the central Pakistani city of Multan chanted �Death to Rushdie, death to Britain� and set a British flag on fire, witnesses said. They carried a banner saying �Our protest will continue until Britain withdraws the title.� About the same number of protesters in the eastern cultural hub of Lahore used their shoes to pound burning British flags in a show of disrespect while in Karachi around 200 people rallied outside the mayor�s office. Islamist leaders called for nationwide protests after Friday prayers. Five people died in the Pakistani capital Islamabad in 1989 in riots against Rushdie�s book. Pakistan is an Islamic republic, like neighbouring Iran, and its 160 million population is overwhelmingly Muslim. The British High Commission (embassy) in Islamabad defended the decision to bestow the knighthood on Rushdie. �Sir Salman�s honour is richly deserved and the reasons for it are self-explanatory,� said spokesman Aidan Liddle. �This knighthood is a reflection of Salman Rushdie�s contribution to literature through a long and diverse career.� Rushdie�s second novel, �Midnight�s Children,� won the prestigious Booker Prize in 1981 and was named the best novel in 25 years of the prize in 1993. Rushdie is also a fellow of Britain�s Royal Society of Literature.

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just wondering when will "West" finally have the ballz to take the damn gloves off, extend the middle finger to Islamist Extremists and tell them to go pound sand?

IMHO, a day when Islam is finally and officially declared a religion of extremism and should be dealt with accordingly, could not be a day too soon.

IMO the India-Pakistan rivalry is partly to be blamed for this. Look who's irked. The pakistani MPs. Nobody else is saying anything..atleast, it's not big news yet. But now all the islamic states will join in the condemnation. They get one more reason to bitch about the West.

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Originally posted by emc^2 just wondering when will "West" finally have the ballz to take the damn gloves off, extend the middle finger to Islamist Extremists and tell them to go pound sand?

Ah the wise words of emc^2! Always good for a laugh!

Pray tell what exatly would you like the UK to do to "extend the middle finger to Islamist Extremists" that we are not already doing?!

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IMHO, a day when Islam is finally and officially declared a religion of extremism and should be dealt with accordingly, could not be a day too soon.

Half the people on my street and area are Muslims, there is a big Mosque round the corner and a large Muslim community surrounding it. Are they all extremists? How should we "deal" with these law-abiding British citizens??

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Originally posted by emc^2 IMHO, a day when Islam is finally and officially declared a religion of extremism and should be dealt with accordingly, could not be a day too soon.

Are you stupid or something? Every religion has its extremists and moderates.

People living in Central Asia and Siberia are moderate Muslims. And some Americans living in the US are Christian extremists that want to kill abortion doctors.

I am totally with you that we should declare ALL religions to be stupid and false. Not just Islam but Christianity can be very dangerous and Judaism can also be dangerous, as you saw after the murder of Itzhak Rabin.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Every religion has its extremists and moderates.

That's a piss poor argument you make to defend Islamic militancy. You fail to take into account the scale of violence committed by Islamic extremists as against that committed by other religious extremists. Christian fundamentalists are out to kill abortion doctors. Yeah right...now tell me who all the Islamic extremists are out to kill ? At what level they are ready to take their violence ? how much human blood they are willing to shed for their cause ?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Half the people on my street and area are Muslims, there is a big Mosque round the corner and a large Muslim community surrounding it. Are they all extremists? How should we "deal" with these law-abiding British citizens??

the people who caused london subway/bus bombings were also, on the surface, law-obiding people. they had no previous "record" nor any unusual "flags" that would set the alarms of.

I dare you to name the last incident involving Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Dharmic, or even atheist suicide bomber. Please tell me the last time you saw a NON-MUSLIM person cutting someone's head off and posting it on the Internet for everyone to view.

I'm literally on the edge of my seat, waiting for you to tell me when was the last time a woman was stoned by family and neighbors, in a western nation, in a broad daylight in the street for being raped. I would love for you to demonstrate when Danish publishers demanded muslim killings for disagreeing with their veiws of prophet mohammed.

You're full of sh!t and your head is stuck so deep up your arse, I think the only way to dislodge it is to have you ride a subway with a suicide bomber next to you. Just the two of you, just swaying along with the cart... when BOOOOM! well, you get my point.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Are you stupid or something? Every religion has its extremists and moderates.

yet none are as prominent as Islamic radicals. Check your facts jack, quit being so naive and soft-hearted.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Are you stupid or something? Every religion has its extremists and moderates. People living in Central Asia and Siberia are moderate Muslims.

LOL. Islam is not an indigenous religion in siberia like it is in C.A or did you believe they were muslims because they are china looking men like in C.A? Learn your geography. The majority of people in siberia are christian or practice some indigenous sh!t that isn't muslim called Shamanism.

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Originally posted by emc^2 yet none are as prominent as Islamic radicals. Check your facts jack, quit being so naive and soft-hearted.

What is your ethnicity, man? Anyways yeah islam radicals are the new nazis's. It's very very scary.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Half the people on my street and area are Muslims, there is a big Mosque round the corner and a large Muslim community surrounding it. Are they all extremists? How should we "deal" with these law-abiding British citizens??

P.s. I'd be willing to bet a decent chunk of money that there's at least a few in the very same community that are currently either thinking or planning or at the very least sympathetic to jihad cause. It's not a question of "if". It's a question of "when". I hope I'm wrong, though. The very nature of religion permits this. It promotes killing, blodshed, and simple disregard for human life.

You can't convince me that "moderates" is what I should be paying attention to. I'm sure you'd agree we're not at war with "moderates"... I also hope you're not as daft as you would have us believe. Actually... who am I kidding. Of course you are.

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Originally posted by Omega_M That's a piss poor argument you make to defend Islamic militancy.

Who the fuck is defending Islamic militancy?!

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Originally posted by emc^2 the people who caused london subway/bus bombings were also, on the surface, law-obiding people. they had no previous "record" nor any unusual "flags" that would set the alarms of.

No shit Sherlock. Now explain why we should view all Muslims as extremists?

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I dare you to name the last incident involving Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Dharmic, or even atheist suicide bomber. Please tell me the last time you saw a NON-MUSLIM person cutting someone's head off and posting it on the Internet for everyone to view.

What difference do the methods used to kill make? Manchester city centre was devestated by Nationalist terrorists from Northern Ireland and many people died, what difference does it make whether they put the bomb in a bin or under their shirt?

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I'm literally on the edge of my seat, waiting for you to tell me when was the last time a woman was stoned by family and neighbors, in a western nation, in a broad daylight in the street for being raped. I would love for you to demonstrate when Danish publishers demanded muslim killings for disagreeing with their veiws of prophet mohammed.

Can you explain to me why you are so keen to convince everyone that all Muslims are extremists? This seems to be a bit of reoccurring theme with your posts - care to explain?

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You're full of sh!t and your head is stuck so deep up your arse, I think the only way to dislodge it is to have you ride a subway with a suicide bomber next to you. Just the two of you, just swaying along with the cart... when BOOOOM! well, you get my point.

Your problem is that you are 10 years old and have sneaked onto your mum's computer when she wasn't looking. And if you're not 10 years ols I suggest you start acting like it because as you may have noticed, not a lot of people take you very seriously.

Now, for the last time, if you want to debate Islamic extremists then fine, but as soon as you attempt to portray every Muslim on Earth as being an extremists then you have no argument, there will be no debate, and instead, you will be viewed as the bigot that you are.

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Originally posted by emc^2 P.s. I'd be willing to bet a decent chunk of money that there's at least a few in the very same community that are currently either thinking or planning or at the very least sympathetic to jihad cause. It's not a question of "if". It's a question of "when". I hope I'm wrong, though. The very nature of religion permits this. It promotes killing, blodshed, and simple disregard for human life.

Ok I bet you �100 that there are hundreds of Muslims in the UK that adhere to an extremist vision of Islam and would be prepared to commit acts of terrorism against us. Shake?

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You can't convince me that "moderates" is what I should be paying attention to.

You make no sense here. Nobody is stupid enough to fall for your little games of making up an argument that someone has supposedly said so you have an easier time "arguing" back. What you said above has emerged from your own head. I haven't said anything of the sort. You've basically decided you can't argue against what I'm saying (and if you really use your brain you'll realise I haven't even given my opinion on the subject for you to argue against) so instead you have invented an argument for me so that you can say your piece...poor, very poor (cue tirade of obscenities in place of a valid response, probably concerning my mum)

Oh and just for emc^2, a little game...

Can you tell me what the Arabic writing in this poster says?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Who the fuck is defending Islamic militancy?!

He's trying to portray their behavior as "acceptable" because he claims that every religion has extremists who act in this manner. But this is a gross misinterpretation of the fact, considering that militancy in (say) buddhism or hinduism is not as a global problem as islamic militancy is.

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The resolution added that the award would encourage �contempt� for the Prophet Mohammed.

from my perspective, it is islam's lack of respect for any other culture or idea that encourages my contempt for the prophet.

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Originally posted by Omega_M He's trying to portray their behavior as "acceptable" because he claims that every religion has extremists who act in this manner. But this is a gross misinterpretation of the fact, considering that militancy in (say) buddhism or hinduism is not as a global problem as islamic militancy is.

I don't think he was at all. The OP has gone out of his way to claim that all Muslims are extremists because of the actions of a few. Others have pointed out his stupidity by drawing his attention to the fact that ALL religions have their extremists, and therefore, if you want to label an entire culture as extremists because of the actions of a few, then you cannot stop at Islam and must include Jews and Christians.

I agree there are more Islamic extremists in the world but that's not the point is it?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN from my perspective, it is islam's lack of respect for any other culture or idea that encourages my contempt for the prophet.

That's because your 'perspective' has only been informed about Islam via Fox news etc

eta: not that I have any respect for any religion over another but it seems hypocritical to single out one religion (based on an extreme version of that religion, while not drawing attention to any of the other religions that are exactly the same and have their similar proportion of extremists

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Originally posted by George Smiley Oh and just for emc^2, a little game... Can you tell me what the Arabic writing in this poster says?

i'll bite. what does it say?

is that the Western Wall in Jerusalem?

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Originally posted by George Smiley That's because your 'perspective' has only been informed about Islam via Fox news etc

well, as an australian we don't even get fox news so im wondering where you got that lovely assumption from? FYI part of my honours year was comprised of terrorism courses so im not some slack-jawed yokel.

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Originally posted by George Smiley eta: not that I have any respect for any religion over another but it seems hypocritical to single out one religion (based on an extreme version of that religion, while not drawing attention to any of the other religions that are exactly the same and have their similar proportion of extremists

firstly, this thread is about islam. if you wanna make another one bashing catholicism, i'll join that too. secondly, define "extreme" islam. tell me how it is different from "moderate" islam. the differences tend to stem from differences in interpretation (or action) over different parts of the koran. not dissimilar from old testament to new testament adherents. who is to say so-called "extremist" islamists just have a superior understanding of the koran than the so-called "moderates"?

furthermore, i would argue that people in public office, are either a) moderate muslims or b) elected in part by moderate muslims. and here they are demanding apologies or retractions? give me a fucking break. if you can't see that islam (moderate or otherwise)c an be in complete opposition to western concepts such as freedom of expression, then i wonder... the christians might kick up a stink from time to time, but i don't recall the last time christians went on a rampage, burned infrastructure and killed people because of a perceived blasphemy in cartoon form.

i am certainly not doubting that all religions cause many many deeply ingrained problems in all our societies. but it isn't the 6 o'clock news that is skewing our opinions, its the simple fact that militant islamists go farther in their protests than their counterparts. whether this is an inherent problem with islam i dont know, but the problem is certainly there. to deny such i think somebody is a little too pre-occupied with political correctness and too scared to call a spade a spade.

The bigger issue here is the fact that (like all the book banning people in the U.S. in the 50s and 60s that led Bradbury to write Farenheit 451) most likely none of the people raising a hubub have ever even seen a copy of the Satanic Verses, much less read it.

I don't think anyone is going off of anyone's opinion but the one of those who convinced Khomeini to declare a fatwa in 89.

I am planning on checking this out this week and read it to see if there is actually anything there to base all this idiocy on. Including the knighting him part.

MrS

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Originally posted by George Smiley No shit Sherlock. Now explain why we should view all Muslims as extremists?

Well, why don't you tell me how to view them? I mean - here you are, using all this energy to allude to some point, yet always so carefully tip-toeing your way around it. Let me turn the table around. Suppose we don't view every Muslim as terrorist. Do you think this world would a) be safer b) more peaceful c) bridge the gap between "us" and "them"?

Also, scenario based question:
Say you're on a bus, train, plane, whatever - mass transportation. In walks in a dude, wearing typical muslim grab. He's carrying a backpack and looks obviously nervious. He then sits in the corner, avoiding eye contact, while fumbling with his bag. You notice a bead of sweat running down his forehead. What do you think and do at that point?

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What difference do the methods used to kill make? Manchester city centre was devestated by Nationalist terrorists from Northern Ireland and many people died, what difference does it make whether they put the bomb in a bin or under their shirt?

Please no nit-picking here. We're talking about extremists - so, in that sense, makes no difference if you use a car bomb or other device - murder is murder. Interesting how you bring Ireland into conversation. I wonder what your views are on England's occupation of Ireland, Scottland... heck, all other colonies. Not to change the subject, but I also find it rather interesting when I read about links between Hammas/Fattah/other PLO militant groups and IRA bomb making experts taking a trip to train those very same group in their "art". Moving on...

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Can you explain to me why you are so keen to convince everyone that all Muslims are extremists? This seems to be a bit of reoccurring theme with your posts - care to explain?

Actually George, I say statistics would prove me wrong - so, no, not all Muslims are extremists. As a matter of fact, I know quite a few that are "moderate" even what you'd call... "modern" in their views. Funny enough, many of them are Iranian. Yet, part of the problem is that it's impossible to distinguish non-radical from radical. Therefore, a basic principle of security should be considered: assume all are hostile until proven otherwise. Sorry, such are the rules of engagement. Not fair? Racist? Near-sighted? YOU BETCHA! But between being an alive biggot or dead, naive hippie, I chose option "A". You can thank the radicals for that. Oh, and just in case it bothered "moderates" - I figure they'd do something about it, to sort of improve the "image". Just as an example, I'm sure that should catholics start bombing baptists or whatever other faith vs faith - the LAW would promptly step in and defend HUMAN LIFE. I don't see too much of "life-saving measures" being too-widespread or preached by Islam. Quite the contrary, to be percise.

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Your problem is that you are 10 years old and have sneaked onto your mum's computer when she wasn't looking. And if you're not 10 years ols I suggest you start acting like it because as you may have noticed, not a lot of people take you very seriously.

George, you know - I was wondering what kept me awake all these nights and you finally opened my eyes to it! I really care about someone else's opinion of me or how I'm taken.

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Now, for the last time, if you want to debate Islamic extremists then fine, but as soon as you attempt to portray every Muslim on Earth as being an extremists then you have no argument, there will be no debate, and instead, you will be viewed as the bigot that you are.

George, I make ABSOLUTELY NO EFFORT TO HIDE MY BIASED VIEWS. I am 100% biased. I don't trust muslims. period. Shit, I even find myself often talking to my muslim "aquantances", thinking that this guy could be a bomber. It's a sad situation but that's the world we're living in, like it or not.

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Originally posted by emc^2 P.s. I'd be willing to bet a decent chunk of money that there's at least a few in the very same community that are currently either thinking or planning or at the very least sympathetic to jihad cause. It's not a question of "if". It's a question of "when". I hope I'm wrong, though. The very nature of religion permits this. It promotes killing, blodshed, and simple disregard for human life. quote: Ok I bet you �100 that there are hundreds of Muslims in the UK that adhere to an extremist vision of Islam and would be prepared to commit acts of terrorism against us. Shake?

Um... Isn't it what I said? That there are bunch of muslims that adhere to radical vision of Islam? What are we betting on again?

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You can't convince me that "moderates" is what I should be paying attention to. quote: You make no sense here. Nobody is stupid enough to fall for your little games of making up an argument that someone has supposedly said so you have an easier time "arguing" back. What you said above has emerged from your own head. I haven't said anything of the sort.

Ok George - so, you said "NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE EXTREMISTS". Right? So, what exactly was your point? I'm not arguing shit - I'm just laying it out as it is. Don't fucking flip flop, you said that shit and I made nothing up. I just re-stated what you said.

Actually, in spirit with my previous assertion of being a biased biggot, I would like to revise my statement about moderates and add this: I'm not just watching one hand - I'm watching both. To me, it makes no difference which hand is holding the gun. So, don't try to convince me that I shouldn't worry about the left hand, just because he has no gun in his right hand.

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You've basically decided you can't argue against what I'm saying (and if you really use your brain you'll realise I haven't even given my opinion on the subject for you to argue against) so instead you have invented an argument for me so that you can say your piece...poor, very poor (cue tirade of obscenities in place of a valid response, probably concerning my mum)

O, the fucking ego on YOU, boy. Shit, must be quite lonely on top of that high horse you rode in on. You know what George, that's the point - I've yet to see you make any sensible argument. Arguing against what you're saying is like talking to a wall - same results. I'm convinced that even if I spent the rest of my life trying to get you to face the facts, you'd just be turning your stupid mug around and saying "Show me proof! Show me proof! I don't see it!", while proof is right there - laid out in front of you.

...and there's no point in making jokes about your mom - having you as an offspring is already insulting enough to that poor woman. And there's nothing funny about that.

hey George, who insults Islam more you think? Salmon Rushdie or the extremists who kill innocents in the name of Islam?

Lets see boys and girls....

Jesus says :Love your enemy...turn the other cheek.

Mohamed says : KILL EM ALL!! SPREAD Islam by the sword....






any questions

everyone should check out this web site, the more I read it and learn how Islam really is from the POV of ex muslims...the more I understand why as an agnostic, Islam is the most evil of all of the earth's myths.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm

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Faith Freedom International is a grassroots movement of ex-Muslims. Its goals are to (a) unmask Islam and show that it is an imperialistic ideology akin to Nazism but disguised as religion and (b) to help Muslims leave it, end this culture of hate caused by their "us" vs. "them" ethos and embrace the human race in amity. We strive for the unity of Mankind through the elimination of Islam, the most insidious doctrine of hate. Islam can't be reformed, but it can be eradicated. It can't be molded, but it can be smashed. It is rigid but brittle. That is why Muslims do not tolerate criticism of it. To eradicate Islam, all we have to do is tell the truth. It's that simple. The truth about Islam is out. It's all here in this site. Now it is up to you to spread it. With truth, the decent Muslims will leave Islam and with each Muslim that leaves, we gain a new soldier in our fight against terrorism. We are growing exponentially. The days of Islam are numbered and world peace is around the corner. Many of us will see that day. We might have to go through very tough times meanwhile. The storm is approaching.

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Originally posted by emc^2 Well, why don't you tell me how to view them? I mean - here you are, using all this energy to allude to some point, yet always so carefully tip-toeing your way around it.

He does do that allot, especially when it comes to Islam and its fucked up radicals.... I mean really jorge.....

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