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BBFC Bans sale of "Manhunt 2"
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"Rejecting a work is a very serious action and one which we do not take lightly. Where possible we try to consider cuts or, in the case of games, modifications which remove the material which contravenes the Board's published Guidelines. In the case of Manhunt 2 this has not been possible. Manhunt 2 is distinguishable from recent high-end video games by its unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone in an overall game context which constantly encourages visceral killing with exceptionally little alleviation or distancing. There is sustained and cumulative casual sadism in the way in which these killings are committed, and encouraged, in the game. Although the difference should not be exaggerated the fact of the game's unrelenting focus on stalking and brutal slaying and the sheer lack of alternative pleasures on offer to the gamer, together with the different overall narrative context, contribute towards differentiating this submission from the original Manhunt game. That work was classified '18' in 2003, before the BBFC's recent games research had been undertaken, but was already at the very top end of what the Board judged to be acceptable at that category. Against this background, the Board's carefully considered view is that to issue a certificate to Manhunt 2, on either platform, would involve a range of unjustifiable harm risks, to both adults and minors, within the terms of the Video Recordings Act, and accordingly that its availability, even if statutorily confined to adults, would be unacceptable to the public. Under the terms of the Video Recordings Act distributors have the right to appeal the Board's decision." |
Oh come on, you know it's not guns, sharp objects, house bricks, beer, motor vehicles, war, insanity and social discontent which leads to people killing other people, it's those damn kids that are playing computer games that kill people.
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| Originally posted by Lilith Oh come on, you know it's not guns, insanity and social discontent which leads to people killing other people, it's those damn kids that are playing computer games that kill people. |
THOSE DAMN KIDS! 
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| Originally posted by Lilith THOSE DAMN KIDS! |
Yeah it is kind of amusing how if there is violence in a video game people go apeshit but they don't think twice about movies that involve torture and murder and glorify violence.
aren't video games like that linked to the desensitising of humans?
i mean yea, let a "normal" kid or person play that game...they'll be fine.
let some little warped child who is abused every day play it. probably have a different outcome. colombine part 2 or some shit.
To emulate what you interact with in a video game in real life says more about the person than it does about the game.
It should be given an 18, and if kids get their hands on the game via their parents, then the parents are to blame, not the company that publishes the game.
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| Originally posted by Slylee aren't video games like that linked to the desensitising of humans? i mean yea, let a "normal" kid or person play that game...they'll be fine. let some little warped child who is abused every day play it. probably have a different outcome. colombine part 2 or some shit. |
yea it's definitely all in the parenting, i'm not disagreeing with that. but i can also understand the annoyance in some parents too who are just trying to raise a healthy, normal kid and these fuckin video games keep coming out that aren't the "18" law or whatever.
this comes a week after the church of england vowed to sue sony unless they took all copies of a certain game (i forget which one) off shelves worldwide because it featured a big church in manchester in detail and manchester has been linked to a lot of gun crime too.
the uk in general has just gone PC mad.
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| Originally posted by Slylee yea it's definitely all in the parenting, i'm not disagreeing with that. but i can also understand the annoyance in some parents too who are just trying to raise a healthy, normal kid and these fuckin video games keep coming out that aren't the "18" law or whatever. |
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| Originally posted by XaNaX I can totally see your point there. They put this game out rated 18+ but sure enough every 13 year old boy in the fucking world wants it because its the latest cool game that all his friends have. So you either are the dickhead parent who won't let them have the game or you cave and set your kid up with a game where you get points for murdering people. And the games now are a little different cuz the shit is very detailed with quality lifelike graphics vs. when I was a kid and you could barely recognize that the thing on the screen was supposed to be a person. |
GTA is superb. The missions don't interest me, however kicking the shit out of innocent bystanders and car chases does. It doesn't mean that I'm going to go out that night and kick the shit out of some drunk when the club closes.
I'm sure the majority are able to differentiate between real life and a mindless video game, but some people are already on the downward spiral before the video game is played by them, and it becomes something to blame when they are diagnosed with a problem.
Looking at it again, you cannot lay the blame soley at the feet of the parents, as kids can get these games from a number of sources ie. friends, relatives.
However, to sue games companies because they cause death is like trying to sue McDonalds for making you fat.
the key to video games having or not having an impact on how a kid turns out has some serious correlation to the blurred understanding of fiction vs reality. as a kid i was never scared by freddy, chucky or any of those types of movies. they just didnt and still dont scare me. the reason i wasnt scared was because i had always been taught from an early age what was reality and fiction. if your taught to distinguish this from an early age then violence in the entertainment industry (movies, games, music, etc et al) will not have any effect on you anyways. overprotectiveness can also skew a kids perception of things as he/she is not exposed to things they should be so they are not socially inept.
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| Originally posted by gehzumteufel the key to video games having or not having an impact on how a kid turns out has some serious correlation to the blurred understanding of fiction vs reality. as a kid i was never scared by freddy, chucky or any of those types of movies. they just didnt and still dont scare me. the reason i wasnt scared was because i had always been taught from an early age what was reality and fiction. if your taught to distinguish this from an early age then violence in the entertainment industry (movies, games, music, etc et al) will not have any effect on you anyways. overprotectiveness can also skew a kids perception of things as he/she is not exposed to things they should be so they are not socially inept. |
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| Originally posted by DJ_Eternal Very true. Video games are then classed as scapegoats and provide an excuse, when the problems are underlying and deeper than just games. |
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| Originally posted by gehzumteufel the key to video games having or not having an impact on how a kid turns out has some serious correlation to the blurred understanding of fiction vs reality. as a kid i was never scared by freddy, chucky or any of those types of movies. they just didnt and still dont scare me. the reason i wasnt scared was because i had always been taught from an early age what was reality and fiction. if your taught to distinguish this from an early age then violence in the entertainment industry (movies, games, music, etc et al) will not have any effect on you anyways. overprotectiveness can also skew a kids perception of things as he/she is not exposed to things they should be so they are not socially inept. |
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| Originally posted by Slylee when i was a kid, i used to be scared of sharks in the pool after watching jaws. yes, u read that correctly. the pool. haha can u imagine if i had been playing those video games? |
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| Originally posted by RJT I hate them and their smelly parents all the same! |
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| Originally posted by gehzumteufel lol it happens...but it all comes down to the way in which you are taught the difference between fiction and reality. if you are always reminded that things in the movies are fake and would never happen in real life then you will understand from an early age that what you see in the movies is totally bullshit. it doesnt take away from the fact that its entertainment but its something thats always in your mind. this was instilled in my siblings and i from early on and only 1 of them is really scared of some stuff in movies. |
who's #1?
americaaaaaaaaa
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| Originally posted by gehzumteufel if you are always reminded that things in the movies are fake and would never happen in real life then you will understand from an early age that what you see in the movies is totally bullshit. it doesnt take away from the fact that its entertainment |
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| Originally posted by XaNaX Really the question to ponder is why do we as humans find it entertaining to watch movies and play games where the main theme is killing and hurting other people? I dunno...I'm just as guilty as anyone of goin on a shooting rampage with the minigun in GTA and killing a bunch of innocent people lol. Maybe its a way for us to live out things that we know are wrong and would normally never do. |
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| Originally posted by Slylee true. but i can't stand watching UFC or boxing. i hate violence like that in the flesh...video games are different though obviously. |
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