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I'm actually not sure if a thread has been posted about this specifically, but I have a couple of questions on the subject of Djing Illegally. I've heard many people talk about "people they know" who DJ using illegal Mp3's. I was wondering how any one DJ would every be caught using them. I mean is it obvious to know or does someone report a DJ when they are skeptical about a situation?

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How would you prove that they're illegal? Sure you could ask for receipts, but not everyone keeps them. You can't just assume that because they don't have them it means they got them illegally. Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

No thats what I think, but what I mean is, there has been DJ's that have been caught using illegal MP3's. How do they get caught using them. I mean who figures out they are using them?

i seriously doubt there are any djs out there that have played only tracks they have payed for, especially with territory restrictions at beatport not letting us buy the tracks we want.

My guess is maybe they were caught playing tracks that have never been released anywhere? That the only possible way one could have the track is by ripping it illegally from a set, or downloading a leaked version before its release date?

ok so what if they played an unreleased track. I still think they could get away with it ya know? But do you guys know the punishment people recieve. Do they go to jail or just pay a big fine or what?

im sure if you play an unreleased track by an artist that is playing that night and hears it...you might get your ass beat down depending on how they take it

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Originally posted by Liquid Fusion ok so what if they played an unreleased track. I still think they could get away with it ya know? But do you guys know the punishment people recieve. Do they go to jail or just pay a big fine or what?

My understanding is that this is a civil matter. That is why the RIAA has to sue after catching downloaders, not send people to jail. So, it'd be a case of whoever has rights (label, artist) bringing suit against the artist. It is against the law, but since it is an intellectual property issue, is handled outside of the criminal courts and in the civil courts.

A) Why would you play a track ripped from a set, it will 100% sound like shit guaranteed.

B) I agree with whoever said stuff about Territory restrictions

C) They track digital downloader-pirate-types now with whats the term again? "Water Marks" or something, I think it's on digital stuff anyway not too sure about that situation, so they can ban the uploaders from all the online stores like juno/beatport/djdownloads yada yada, smart strategy but most pirates are 900 steps ahead in the game and have IP randomizers so that they give the middle finger to Beatport.


Fact is though, DJs aren't the ones that are going to get caught most of the time, because DJ's TEND to use pirating as a last resort (At least in my experience and the ones I know). My suggestion is, buy your shit. If you cant afford to buy your shit, use stolen shit in your bedroom only and don't post sets on the internet that are full of stolen tunes, or for that matter, play out with stolen tunes. You'd be suprised at how many people will notice, and if you post illegals on here chances are you'll post a track with the wrong name and we'll all have a laugh at your expense.

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Originally posted by JD8180 My guess is maybe they were caught playing tracks that have never been released anywhere? That the only possible way one could have the track is by ripping it illegally from a set, or downloading a leaked version before its release date?

Could be caught playing something that has a very faint hint its been recorded off the radio.

mp3 copyright laws when it comes to dance music are not only completely unenforceable but totally pointless as the RIAA (the people that would be MOST likely to prosecute) have NO incentive to go after DJs playing obscure dance music (a primarily disposable industry). Whatever money being lost is quite inconsequential in comparison to the main stream music market.

However, if you're playing your illegally downloaded copy of the new Dr Dre album that isn't due out for another year to a crowd of 10,000 then its very possible you will be targeted.

At the end of the day it comes down to how much money is being lost. Dance music is not a huge industry, so theres no real incentive for the RIAA to go after you for playing your promo rip of the latest armin tune.

1) Why would people download tracks illegally to begin with? it's not worth it, the quality isn't guaranteed and tempo's are often unstable!

2)Territory restrictions are often easy to get around by buying direct from labels or other distributors OR simply getting a Dutch credit card. If you find yourself in the territory restriction boat, its often worth it!

3) How exactly would you be able to tell someone is playing illegaly obtained tracks? Whats to say, that a DJ ripped some of his vinyls and has sketchy sounding/looking tracks?

4) Something to think about is that Vonyc watermarks all their tracks so the IP it was obtained from can be tracked if it's been widely distributed.

My question is, did you hear from a "friend of a friend" or somesuch about someone getting busted? I've never heard anything like that before but I'd guess its extremely rare except in the case of file-sharers (the easiest way to get caught).

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster 1) Why would people download tracks illegally to begin with? it's not worth it, the quality isn't guaranteed and tempo's are often unstable!

Clincher for me.


Also, I like supporting the artists who worked on the music I play at least a little!

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Originally posted by Liquid Fusion I'm actually not sure if a thread has been posted about this specifically, but I have a couple of questions on the subject of Djing Illegally. I've heard many people talk about "people they know" who DJ using illegal Mp3's. I was wondering how any one DJ would every be caught using them. I mean is it obvious to know or does someone report a DJ when they are skeptical about a situation?

so, YOU are thinking about djing w/ illegal mp3's and afraid YOU might get caught... very slim chance.

like said earlier, if you're plaing unreleased dr dre tracks at the biggest clubs in the biggest cities in the united states, you might get caught...

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster 3) How exactly would you be able to tell someone is playing illegaly obtained tracks? Whats to say, that a DJ ripped some of his vinyls and has sketchy sounding/looking tracks?

I've heard a DJ show up and play a tune that must have been originally like an 8mb MP3, turned into a WAV, and it sounded like absolute shit.

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Originally posted by Clovis Clincher for me. Also, I like supporting the artists who worked on the music I play at least a little!

+ fucking 1. Although I have always agreed with this, once I started producing it really hit me that supporting the artists is as important as supporting the music for too many reasons.

So many people put blood sweat and tears into their tracks, especially these days with well polished, complex tracks that take much longer to produce than in the early days.

DJ in Italy hit with biggest MP3 piracy fine in Europe

February 16, 2005

An Italian DJ has been fined a record �1.4 million for using hundreds of pirate music files in a well-known local nightclub near Rome. The DJ was discovered with more than 2,000 mp3 music files suspected to be illegal downloads and 500 pirated video clips.

The fine, set by the Italian Fiscal Police of Rieti (Rome), is the biggest fine to be imposed on an individual in Europe to date for the unlawful copying and use of copyrighted music in the mp3 format (the fine is subject to administrative recourse). The DJ may be subject to further criminal sanctions.

Enzo Mazza, Director of the Italian recording industry association (FIMI), said: "We are pleased with the fine imposed by the Rieti Fiscal police. This DJ was touring clubs and making money out of the music he played - while those who had invested time, talent, hard work and money into creating the music in the first place did not get a cent. We hope this precedent will serve as a deterrent for those who are thinking of doing the same."

The operation, targeting radio stations and clubs around the region, was led by the Fiscal Police. In addition to the mp3s and music video clips found, a large quantity of audiovisual material and software were also seized.

Full story here:


http://digital-lifestyles.info/2005...or-copied-mp3s/

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Originally posted by Project-K How would you prove that they're illegal? Sure you could ask for receipts, but not everyone keeps them. You can't just assume that because they don't have them it means they got them illegally. Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

That last sentence. How can you not be guilty if you can't prove you're innocent? Proving someone is guilty is easy when he or she is walking around with cdr's burnt full with music. That is illegal unless proven otherwise (receipts!)

I save all promo emails I get, and all receipts.

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Originally posted by Max Thomson However, if you're playing your illegally downloaded copy of the new Dr Dre album that isn't due out for another year to a crowd of 10,000 then its very possible you will be targeted.

True. I've also tried to play stuff, or even remixes of stuff before it became popular, and after. Apparently, people need to be brainwashed with advertising before they actually dance to the track.

Back to the topic, if the Riaa shows up sometimes, they gonna have a hell of a time. All my stuff is legal, or backed up, or home made. I only play in private parties. If they ring at the door, they'll stay at the door... A bit like jehovas witnesses, they always come in 3's, 2 balls and a dick, but they never get in..

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Originally posted by Storyteller That last sentence. How can you not be guilty if you can't prove you're innocent? Proving someone is guilty is easy when he or she is walking around with cdr's burnt full with music. That is illegal unless proven otherwise (receipts!) I save all promo emails I get, and all receipts.

right, illegal doesnt pass my bed room door most of the time

oot, love ur stuff dude

Thanks

the only chance to get caught is when someone reports you...I dont know the legal system in US/UK but here in Czech the punishment is nothing but a fine...and I bet you can get away with that I might be wrong though...

anyway think of a normal situation:
someone reported you for a playing stolen MP3s
someone comes to check them and finds out you have 3 of your 45000 collection illegally and others are watermarked or you have receipts or whatever...
what would they say if they are atleast half-normal?
well I bet "nevermind" would be suitable...


so...first off...dont play with illegal tracks...and if you are desperate about getting a track save it as the case of last resort as someone else has said here...

You could get caught going through customs or border control, If your laptop or ext drive has illegal software/tunes/films etc. It's really not hard for them to quickly check what's on your drives.


Yeah by the way ST, I've been a serious admirer of both your productions the way you balance prog and trance - a man after my own heart. Please keep them coming!

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Originally posted by chris harrington i seriously doubt there are any djs out there that have played only tracks they have payed for, especially with territory restrictions at beatport not letting us buy the tracks we want.

there is at least one!


altho i've been thinking about burning myself an illegal copy of of "evanescence - say hello (gabriel & dresden vs. trifactor remix)" as it's one of my top 10 favorite tracks ever and i'll never get a legal copy of it.
i don't even dj outside my bedroom though, but i still have moral in me which doesn't really let me dj with illegal tracks.
but in finland though it's just as illegal to play tracks downloaded from beatport or p2p. that's how good the finnish law is. you'd have to pay some gay fee for every mp3/wav/whatever you burn no matter if you paid for it or not to be able to play them out.

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