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I noticed something curious reading through threads on here - on no other kind of forum do I see such arrogance and antagonism between the people who contribute. Why is this? I'm open to suggestions but here are some theories of mine;

1. Arrogance is intrinsic to a DJs nature as you have to be arrogant to get up there and expect 100s of people are gonna be interested in the music you play and (in some cases) near worship you for playing music that isn't really yours by creation.

2. A lot of DJs are frustrated musicians who know deep down that what we do involves far less talent that playing an instrument well and DJ as a means to get in front of a crowd without having any real musical talent in terms of playing an instrument.

Personally I'd opt for no 1 but as I don't play out, maybe I lack the right arrogance in the first place.

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Originally posted by ianco 2. A lot of DJs are frustrated musicians who know deep down that what we do involves far less talent that playing an instrument well and DJ as a means to get in front of a crowd without having any real musical talent in terms of playing an instrument.

i'm trained in guitar and saxaphone, next up are drums and piano

djing doesn't take far less talent, it may take a different kind of talent but it's still talent (and a lot of it in some cases)

go watch a dmc competition and tell me turntables aren't instruments

don't cheapen my profession

i've invested a HUGE amount of time and money into my craft, probably more than most musicians

but it's that kind of sacrifice that gets you places

that arrogance is well earned through over 7 years of practice, personal sacrifice and paying my dues

i don't speak cause i like to hear myself talking, i speak through experience, take my advise or leave it, i'm the one running club nights and djing numerous residencies, doesn't really matter to me what you do

DJing is all in the head. It's mental work. Playing an instrument is mostly a physical thing. They're two completely different things that shouldn't even be compared.

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Originally posted by ianco I noticed something curious reading through threads on here - on no other kind of forum do I see such arrogance and antagonism between the people who contribute. Why is this? I'm open to suggestions but here are some theories of mine; 1. Arrogance is intrinsic to a DJs nature as you have to be arrogant to get up there and expect 100s of people are gonna be interested in the music you play and (in some cases) near worship you for playing music that isn't really yours by creation. 2. A lot of DJs are frustrated musicians who know deep down that what we do involves far less talent that playing an instrument well and DJ as a means to get in front of a crowd without having any real musical talent in terms of playing an instrument. Personally I'd opt for no 1 but as I don't play out, maybe I lack the right arrogance in the first place.

^ example of an arrogant post, isnt it?

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Originally posted by Project-K DJing is all in the head. It's mental work. Playing an instrument is mostly a physical thing. They're two completely different things that shouldn't even be compared.

You are correct. When I play a piano i just shut my brain off. No need for it.

Like Tony, I'm also classically trained in Piano and alto Sax as well as Viola. I find DJ'ing to be just as dynamic and difficult as playing any other instrument, it's simply a different way of thinking and performing. As far as arrogance is concerned I think you're a bit judgmental about DJ's in general. I certainly agree that TA is a particularly rough forum to deal with, way too much sarcasm and a lot of people who think they are the know-all be-all of EDM and don't even get out of the house...but extending this to stereotyping DJ's isn't called for imo.

personally I liken dj'ing to conducting a symphony rather than playing a single instrument, arguably much more important. my 2cts

edit: typo

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Originally posted by SPAWNmaster Like Tony, I'm also classically trained in Piano and alto Sax as well as Viola. I find DJ'ing to be just as dynamic and difficult as playing any other instrument, it's simply a different way of thinking and performing. As far as arrogance is concerned I think you're a bit judgmental about DJ's in general. I certainly agree that TA is a particularly rough forum to deal with, way too much sarcasm and a lot of people who think they are the know-all be-all of EDM and don't even get out of the house...but extending this to stereotyping DJ's isn't called for imo. personally I liken dj'ing to conducting a symphony rather than playing a single orchestra, arguably much more important. my 2cts

I can't argue with that. Inteligent and elegant.
Really, I'm just pissed that I've reached a sticking point where I don't feel I'm improving and am thinking 'why the F am I doing this?'
I've been in this place before and come on here for motivation so I don't get the arrogance.
I shouldn't have generalised so I will add that the guys who really seem to know their stuff and have been around are helpful and post staight forward replies, regardless of content.
Maybe that in itself says something about arrogant posts.
I don't sit at home dreaming about an adoring crowd, I just do it coz I like the music and want to see where I can take it and at the moment, I don't feel that's very far.
So I'll keep reading and twiddling those knobs.

It's the internet. People can act pretty much however they want without fear of consequence.

EDIT - Was meant to say "can", not "can't"

Me?.... Arrogant?... FUCK YOU!

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Originally posted by Tony Morello that arrogance is well earned through over 7 years of practice, personal sacrifice and paying my dues

arrogance should be avoided. it will always end up putting true fans off you. seven years of dj experience is nothing! in 6 months you can learn how to mix like a pro. the rest of the time is spent building a particular sound of your own. and 7 years still aint enough to have a rock solid background in edm.

onto the point..

imo arrogance is something that people often use to fool others into thinking they are better than they are. it gives them and others a feeling that they are more important than everyone else. ultimately it aint hard to have a good taste in music - you either got it or you aint! djing may involve a degree of technical skill, but it certainly isnt something that people can be overly arrogant about. after all, it is just the art of knowing/liking music that others like.

I'm a dj that is a classically trained in guitar and piani. grew up around music, father being in a hairband growing up so it was always around. I made the choice to dj becuase i love dancing, edm music is only genre worldwide accepted my all races, ages and sexual gender. And didn't want to be in rock or metal band becuase of fathers footsteps. My father gave me hell at first and said same things about dj's they have no talent etc. Now being a dj and also being a trained musicain, DJing is harder than everybody thinks. If it was easy more people would be doing it.

The few people I know who are really good at playing guitar and signing are far more arrogant then the good DJs that I know.
It is true that mixing can be instant gratification because any idiot can get two tracks, cross fade them and then label themselves a DJ but it takes someone with a lot of skill to rock a huge crowd of people who know there music.

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Originally posted by richg101 in 6 months you can learn how to mix like a pro.

You can try, but you hardly will. I thought it took years to "mix like a pro". Arrogance is everywhere. It's not only about Djing. I see people, everyday: ( just 1 example) driving shit cars tuned up, and they brag around with it, doing loops in town centre, windows open, volume at max.
While they live in mom's basement.

Go on a golf course, you'll see a few interesting specimen... If dickheads could fly, the skies would be black.

I have yet to read an arrogant post on this forum (or maybe I haven't been paying enough attention), because I know that most of the people hanging out here actually know what they are talking about.

So that brings up another question: Is it really arrogance, or do you see it as arrogance because other people actually know a lot more than you do?

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1. Arrogance is intrinsic to a DJs nature as you have to be arrogant to get up there and expect 100s of people are gonna be interested in the music you play and (in some cases) near worship you for playing music that isn't really yours by creation.

So you think it doesn't take any talent at all to create something that is yours, by using other people's music?

Paul van Dyk also plays music he hasn't created himself. Yet, he's a really down to earth guy, with no arrogance about him at all. And he is voted no. 1 dj in the world. Care to explain that?

Tiesto has been voted #1. And he's a #1 dick as well

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Originally posted by Mmanu Tiesto has been voted #1. And he's a #1 dick as well

Interesting. I assume you have some sort of basis for this claim.

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Originally posted by Mmanu Tiesto has been voted #1. And he's a #1 dick as well

True. But he's arrogant as well. And rightfully so, because he's not the best dj in the world, but still thinks he is.

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I personally am adrummer, a trained pianist, and have my own studio.
I am certainly not a frustrated musician. A lazy one yes, but not frustrated.


Confidence is often mistaken for arrogance

confidence and arrogance, there's a very fine line.

to say djing doesnt take as much talent as playing a piano/guitar/drums/wotever, is rediculous lol.

to be a good dj u have to be very talented! u have to have skills and the ability to use them to their fullest.

it would be unfair to say every DJ is arrogant, many are i'm sure. but if u looked at all the pianists, drummers, etc, i think u would find just as much arrogance.

WOW, is this kid for real? Theories? All dj's are arrogant??

Theory one just gets in my nerves for example. The general statement that dj's want to be treated as gods is rediculous. Dj's can't enjoy their job, or have fun behind the decks, just because the music they play isn't theirs?

SRLY, WTF IS THIS!?


Do we even need to respond?

Maybe I just missunderstood, but to me, this just seemes like garbage to its fullest.


...for the thread starter:

nada a ver velho, que isso? dez de quando a arte de ser dj virou filosofia, e dez de quando o comentario de que TODOS os dj's querem ser deuses faz algum sentido? provas? soh por que algums da qhui sejam arrogantes com os que nao entendem, aham, te dar o direito de faser um comentario geral assim?

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Originally posted by Mmanu Tiesto has been voted #1. And he's a #1 dick as well

I don't believe it... All of my friends that have met him didn't say a bad word about him as a person. He's fun, sometimes a bit shy even.

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Originally posted by Freak Confidence is often mistaken for arrogance

I agree .

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Interesting. I assume you have some sort of basis for this claim.

As a matter of fact I do. I think arrogant is the word

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Originally posted by Mmanu As a matter of fact I do. I think arrogant is the word

Well that's a convincing argument.

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Originally posted by Mmanu As a matter of fact I do. I think arrogant is the word

ok .. so whats the basis to ur claim.. u have yet to share it with us ..

imo some ppl here thinks others or 'djs' are very arrogant .. coz they themself have an inferiority complex.. and thats just it .. they probably feel inferior coz they know less that the other ppl in the forum.

thats my 2 cents worth.

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