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Posted by xtrecoolx on Jun-29-2007 16:29:

Shame / Disagreement Wrong beatmaching guides

Hi,
I am not pro or anything in this but I would like to point out that beatmatching guides found overall in net are copied from each other and basically missing important information about transition phase. In the guides I've read so far people talk about how to count BPM and cueing, but little about transition phase. Basically they say once the BPM matches you start the transition and everything should work fine. On contrary, I believe thats when the situation gets tricky. I would like to give the following example:
Two tracks A and B. A is 135 BPM and live, B(cued) is in loop and you matched with A. Now when I start the transition they both go fine and sometimes I make small speed up/down modifications by my hand. No problem here, however when I remove the loop from B and song in B really starts to shape then it becomes harder to maintain synchronization. Can you guys please explain and share your thoughts about this? What shall be done in this case?


Posted by Jarvmeister on Jun-29-2007 17:46:

This is due to your loop having, for example, a BPM of 128.34, but when you bring it out of loop it has a BPM of 128.45.

I never use loops on the CDJs because even though they sound like they're right on, when you take them out of loop it's evident that they're not.


Posted by xtrecoolx on Jun-29-2007 17:59:

You might be right but this does not mean that without looping they will perfectly match. I think there is still a lot of correction needed. On A or B...and i don't really know where to look at


Posted by Jarvmeister on Jun-29-2007 18:17:

I am right. You can prove it by having a copy of the exact same track in both players and that'll explain the science of it all.....


Posted by DiscoStew on Jun-29-2007 18:45:

One thing that you can do that works out well for me on my CDJ-800s is have the loop you're using have an end point that is immediately before the track punches in with a heavy bass line or synth or something. When you you want to come out of the loop, cut track A quickly and completely and punch the lows in B.

Try it out and let me know how it goes.


Posted by sleepydragon on Jun-29-2007 18:56:

why do people loop to beatmatch anyway? i never do it whats wrong with pressing cue and going back to the cue point.


Posted by Zild on Jun-29-2007 19:00:

I was wondering the same thing myself. The only time I loop is if I'm running out of time, and that never happens.


Posted by Spoonz on Jun-29-2007 21:37:

as already said, the track u are cueing, play it to beatmatch, not play a loop. not accurate enough!

if u still can't get it just accept u are turd


Posted by i got big pants on Jun-30-2007 01:03:

i like to loop breakdowns sometimes just to layer some extra sounds during the intro of a track i just transitioned into


Posted by ThatsMagic on Jun-30-2007 03:15:

ah you guys worry too much about the technical side just mix it when u want practice and a bit of luck will make it sound good.


Posted by Mmanu on Jun-30-2007 07:59:

Blame it on a lack of practise, not the internet tutorials


Posted by Allayla on Jun-30-2007 08:14:

Keep practicing, before you know it you will be replying to a similiar thread with a condensending post like the rest of us arrogant assholes.


Posted by Jarvmeister on Jun-30-2007 08:49:

quote:
Originally posted by starboy
Keep practicing, before you know it you will be replying to a similiar thread with a condensending post like the rest of us arrogant assholes.


Amusing!


Posted by Abhay on Jul-15-2007 03:17:

quote:
Originally posted by i got big pants
i like to loop breakdowns sometimes just to layer some extra sounds during the intro of a track i just transitioned into


Yeah!

longer, smoother mixes... I have little experience with CDJs, but I'd try to get the frames as spot on as I possibly could on a loop, and just correct on the fly once you loop out.


Posted by squats on Jul-15-2007 14:11:

if you cant beatmatch youre obviously mentally retarted


Posted by kotsy on Jul-16-2007 04:26:

quote:
Originally posted by squats
if you cant beatmatch youre obviously mentally retarted


if you can't spell 'retarded' right you're obviously retarded.


Posted by Allayla on Jul-16-2007 07:40:



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