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Posted by mike.g on Jul-05-2007 04:57:

What equalizer setting do you use?

Assuming you have 3 equalizer knobs on your mixer, how do you typically keep them by default when recording a CD. Do you adjust to each song or allow the knobs to be neutral to preserve how the Artist had it mastered? I jump back and fourth on this one alot. I know the answer is whatever that feels right and sounds good, but I was just wondering from a professional stand point. Different people have different sensitivities to sound.


Posted by nefardec on Jul-05-2007 05:13:

umm flat

only way to go


Posted by Timski on Jul-05-2007 06:05:

12 o'clock all the way...


Posted by DJMaytag on Jul-05-2007 06:13:

flat, flat, and flat

you can add an overall mix EQ later, but aside for effect purposes, the EQ's never go past 12:00.


Posted by skip on Jul-05-2007 09:04:

mostly flat, but some tracks have seriously lacking bass for example due to bad mastering or whatever so then i'll boost it a bit to make it sound a bit better. some tracks on the other hand have way too much bass IMO and i have to cut the bass eq quite a bit to make it sound better (deadmau5 - faxing berlin for example). but these are rare occasions. it's usually flat at 12 o'clock for 99,9% of all my tracks, except during transitions of course.


Posted by Tony Morello on Jul-05-2007 09:09:

quote:
Originally posted by skip
mostly flat, but some tracks have seriously lacking bass for example due to bad mastering or whatever so then i'll boost it a bit to make it sound a bit better. some tracks on the other hand have way too much bass IMO and i have to cut the bass eq quite a bit to make it sound better (deadmau5 - faxing berlin for example). but these are rare occasions. it's usually flat at 12 o'clock for 99,9% of all my tracks, except during transitions of course.


+1

it all depends

your ears should tell you


Posted by everett on Jul-05-2007 10:00:

I prefer only to play bass so I usually bring my highs and mids to a couple clicks above 0


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jul-05-2007 10:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Tony Morello
+1

it all depends

your ears should tell you

No man, there are presets for everything!


Posted by Domesticated on Jul-05-2007 10:53:

I guy I've played with several times has it in his head that it's the DJ's job to "put his own spin" on the tune by EQing the music, and used to set them at ridiculous levels, such as the high EQ at 4 o'clock, blasting the crowd with an overly filtered hi-hat sound. He'd leave it like that for the whole song, and it used to do my head in. Besides that he was a good DJ.

So, to answer, I'm a strictly 12 o'clock man, because they don't spend hours in a studio mastering a track with 30 EQs just so that you can use a meagre three to fuck around with it; unless of course the bass is overpowering or lacking, ala Signum - Harmonic, even then though, I think it should only be a slight turn, not more than 5 or 10%.


Posted by Storyteller on Jul-05-2007 11:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Beat Blog
So, to answer, I'm a strictly 12 o'clock man, because they don't spend hours in a studio mastering a track with 30 EQs just so that you can use a meagre three to fuck around with it; unless of course the bass is overpowering or lacking, ala Signum - Harmonic, even then though, I think it should only be a slight turn, not more than 5 or 10%.


You know 3 o'clock is (usually) a 3dB boost right? That's a 100% so 5-10% boost would be like 1 minute past twelve . That's like less than a millimeter turned compared to 12 o'clock. You must be very precise ... I sometimes do even +6 dB boosts (5 o'clock). As a little creative tool though, not for mixing in general. Just to let that last synth of the track you're mixing out blend with those of the new one. Can be pretty neat sometimes .

I'm just saying there's always an exception I guess, so I prefer to not really stick to the guidelines even though they're okay in a more general sort of speak.

It comes down to what's already said... If it sounds good...


Posted by mike.g on Jul-05-2007 17:59:

FLAT is what I thought. Some CD's sound totally crytal clear when you play them back, on let's say your car without adjusting the equalizer(Like they've been ran through a computer program with an added equalizer already)
I just always wondered if that "tweeking" was applied while mixing or after the fact.
I usually set the high's between 1 o'clock or 2 o'clock to give it that extra clarity/high fidelity sound. I find that having all 3 flat is my preference when listening to it back LOUD, say at a party since all attributes that make up the total sound is then unified and the right balance of sound comes from all the instruments(none overpowering each other). But if I'm in my room at night and the music is turned down, the high's set a little higher than flat will make it more comfortable to hear and less like listening through a fog. Am I making any sense?


Posted by CiTrus on Jul-05-2007 18:10:

1 qn that has been bugging me is,

how do u guys gauge both tracks ? UV meter with eqs sometimes also are inaccurate say if its bass heavy ?

i have this problem where even though the meters seems matched, when played the incoming track is louder than outgoing. is it the case of wrong EQing ?

using Vestax 27Mk2


Posted by Neo Hacker on Jul-05-2007 18:28:

Flat most of the time, but sometimes I boost high frequencies. It depends on how the song is. I never boost the bass I love melodies !


Posted by Spoonz on Jul-06-2007 07:21:

quote:
Originally posted by CiTrus
1 qn that has been bugging me is,

how do u guys gauge both tracks ? UV meter with eqs sometimes also are inaccurate say if its bass heavy ?

i have this problem where even though the meters seems matched, when played the incoming track is louder than outgoing. is it the case of wrong EQing ?

using Vestax 27Mk2


if possible play both tracks together in ur fones, with the headfones "mix" knob half way between cue & master/pgm then just adjust the levels of the track u are cueing and tweak the low EQ til it sounds right for u.


Posted by Stu Cox on Jul-06-2007 07:28:

quote:
Originally posted by skip
mostly flat, but some tracks have seriously lacking bass for example due to bad mastering or whatever so then i'll boost it a bit to make it sound a bit better. some tracks on the other hand have way too much bass IMO and i have to cut the bass eq quite a bit to make it sound better (deadmau5 - faxing berlin for example). but these are rare occasions. it's usually flat at 12 o'clock for 99,9% of all my tracks, except during transitions of course.

Yep. Althought I've started remastering tracks before I burn them if they lack a bit of bass (or any frequency for that matter) - makes it easier to ensure everything stays pretty even.


Posted by R.j. on Jul-06-2007 10:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Stu Cox
Yep. Althought I've started remastering tracks before I burn them if they lack a bit of bass (or any frequency for that matter) - makes it easier to ensure everything stays pretty even.


how do you go about remastering tracks before they go into the mix?


Posted by Spoonz on Jul-06-2007 11:03:

quote:
Originally posted by R.j.
how do you go about remastering tracks before they go into the mix?


u could use ableton for this and most other similar apps


Posted by RJT on Jul-06-2007 13:24:

Wow, I'm shocked at the number of people who seem to default to "flat."

I EQ appropriately based on:

1. Track
2. Venue/Soundsystem
3. Whatever it is I'm doing on the decks.
4. Most importantly, what sounds good to me.

And I'd say that I'm at 12 o'clock less than half of the time, if really ever at all.


Posted by david.michael on Jul-06-2007 13:51:

Red.


Posted by Stu Cox on Jul-06-2007 15:45:

quote:
Originally posted by R.j.
how do you go about remastering tracks before they go into the mix?

Yeah, load it up in a bit of audio editing software and get busy.

Ableton's probably a bit of overkill, but if you've already got a copy then why not... saves spending more money on another package.


Posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY on Jul-06-2007 15:58:

quote:
Originally posted by RJT
Wow, I'm shocked at the number of people who seem to default to "flat."

I EQ appropriately based on:

1. Track
2. Venue/Soundsystem
3. Whatever it is I'm doing on the decks.
4. Most importantly, what sounds good to me.

And I'd say that I'm at 12 o'clock less than half of the time, if really ever at all.


yea Im with u man, I usually always have the mids and highs kicked up a bit but I have some tracks where I have to kick them both back to level them out...I go by ear and adjust based on the setup Im on. Going 12'oclock all the time doesn't work well.


Posted by Allayla on Jul-06-2007 17:04:

Also some mixers sound better with more high and mid.. all of the djm's sound better to me two in the red with high and mid around 1 o'clock, but xone mixers for some reason sound fine at 12 o'clock.

I never boost lows because it always sounds more muddy, now if there was a way to add a punchier kick i would be in heaven there are so many tracks that are lacking something or another, i just don't understand that


Posted by Spoonz on Jul-06-2007 17:30:

quote:
Originally posted by starboy

I never boost lows because it always sounds more muddy, now if there was a way to add a punchier kick i would be in heaven there are so many tracks that are lacking something or another, i just don't understand that


i know wot u mean... some tracks i have are far to bass heavy, yet if i lower the low and boost the mid a little bit i still lose the punch of the kick.... the only remedy would probly be to use stu cox's idea and re-master before burning/mixing


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jul-06-2007 17:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Spoonz
i know wot u mean... some tracks i have are far to bass heavy, yet if i lower the low and boost the mid a little bit i still lose the punch of the kick.... the only remedy would probly be to use stu cox's idea and re-master before burning/mixing

How would you fix something like that with remastering, exactly?


Posted by Spoonz on Jul-06-2007 22:44:

given the fact i never said u could remaster it to sound exactly as u'd like, wot i meant was using various software u can use the multiple EQ options to bring the best out of the tune, ie: give it more punch and remove some bass.

a friend recentlysent me a copy of HMC - 187 which was far too bass heavy and lacked hi's. i edited it and imo and his, it sounded much better and a lot fresher!

whereas before if it was to be dropped in a set it just killed the energy cos of it's shite quality!

not perfect but a lot better than having to make do with just 3 EQ's


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