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3/4 and 6/8
These tracks rule... I hate what commercial scene has done with em, like every second Trance track has 30 secs. of 3/4 or 6/8 that sound really retarded... But this aspect has so much potential and I dunno enuff from this kind of weight..
Please recommend some!
DJ Scot Project - O (Overdrive) >>> We all know it, this is an example
Hypertraxx - The Darkside >>> Pretty nice... not that good
Miss Thunderpussy vs. The Club Invaders - Mirage >>> Best song I've heard entirely composed on this weight!
That sums it up... give your suggestions!!!
As well, please suggest here other Trance tracks with radical weights such as 5/8 and whatever (5/8 is really cool too BTW)...
CyA!
Coolest thread topic I've seen in a long while! Hope some more like this come along...as for the question, It seems like a lot of gabber has 3/4 or 6/8 influence, like G core by da headbanger vs. the alienator. (that one switches between 3/4 and 4/4). As for trance or others, try This is the ultimate (DJ Schwede mix) which has a bit of both, Gigi d'agostino - movimento, Lock & load - blow ya mind (mostly 4/4 with a longish 3/4 section). I'll work on the 5/4 thing which I can't think of at the moment, but I'll try. Also, another cool song is by Mauro Picotto - pulsar (picotto tea mix) which you've prolly heard, it's cool because although no 3/4, it's got third-tones...as in, to get from one note to one whole step above it it takes exactly 3 steps...cool...
Yeah I know what you mean with the tea mix 
It rocks!
You rock as well man, thanx for the recommendations, hopefully lots of ppl answer this and we'll get a nice bunch of radical beats and hopefully these will get more credit in DJ sets...
One nice little thing to do (very tricky though) that I've tried doing but requires pro sounds to sound right is designd you track as a 3/4 track (3 Quarters per kick and 12 quarters for a box) and then just like some of the 4/4 tracks today use 3/4 parts you will use a strange 4/4 part in your 3/4 track by puting a kick sample once every 4 quarters, which can result in
A) Through leaving percussions, claps synth etc. on the same patterns, a weird breakbeat for 3/4 similar to the -
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Beat on 4/4
Or even cooler and weirder, a 25% Slower, 4/4- like, 3 Kicks- per- box beat, I think this can be exploited really well, think about it:
A 140BPM 3/4 quarter track suddenly turn into a 105 BPM, 3 Kicks-per-box weird track, then explosively returns to 3/4 on 140...
Oh, I forgot an important one...Brooklyn bounce - bass beats melody~!
Yeah I know that one but was kinda ignoring it cause I hate it...
I'm a little confused 
Can any of you explain what this 3/4, 6/8 and 5/8 stuff is? I think I have an idea, but it would be great if you could clear things up for me
Hya, 3/4 and 6/8 are different weights (At least that's the word in hebrew) for beat structure... in 4/4, every kick has 4 quarters (think of a snare-roll, that fill all 4 of them).
But in 3/4 or 6/8 (as well as other weights) each kick and beat have different number of quarters... in 3/4 and 6/8 this results in a supercool, kinda tribal beat...
I'm sure you know what we mean, if you've heard
DJ Scot Project - Overdrive
for exampple, that is a famous tune which is mostly composed in 3/4 weight.
I recommend DLing "Mirage" by Miss Thunderpussy vs. The Club Invaders and check the stuff Kirby recommended.
i've heard of this stuff before...i never got it...i still dont...lol...will dl some of em songs to get the jist of this...lol...
here is the deal with this music crapola
4/4 is 4 beats in a mesaure and quarter note gets the beat
3/4 is 3 beats in a measure quartere not gets the beat
6/8 is 6 beats in a measure eight note gets the beat
9/8 is 9 beats in a mesaure and eight note gets the beat
3/16 is 3 beats in a measure and double eight note gets the beat
eight note = 1/2 quarter note
I play in college band now and still
4/4 sounds like 1234-1234-1234(count as is)(BPM=60 means each second per # you say)
3/4 sounds 123-123-123-123....(count as is)=60 BPM
6/8 sounds 123456-123456-123456 but you have to count each # half the speed you do for 4/4 and 3/4-->so it goes faster but different feel to the beat)because remember what I said before those #'s are eigth notes
5/4 is has 5 beats in a mesaure but quarter note still gets the beat so 12345-12345-12345
all the countning is based on the BPM and I guess thats bases on a quarter note gets the beat = 140 or whatever the trance tune is playing at.
ps...MOst songs at a club are 4/4 because you count to the beat 1 2 3 4 expcet when it goes quiet but that how I dance and its alll perfect to the beat--To dance good you just have to dance to the beat because thats what I call rythm and thats a good thing!You got ryth, you don't look like a retard and you will impressm peope and your self if you move your body to 1 2 3 4 easy as pie
mmmmmbreakbeats. 
technicly none of theys tracks are in true 3/4 time... they are actuly in 4/4 playing thirds insted of the normal 16th notes to make a "groove".. its kinda hard to exsplane.. the reason dance music is not in 3/4 is it would be really hard to dance to and almost inposable to mix..
but i could see how people would think that its 3/4. if i get some time i will post some loops of what i am talkin about but if you know anyone with a backing in clasical music or even a drummer thay could exsplain it...
This song is in 4/4 but listen to these beats. They're all over the place but perfect at the same time.
http://www.audiogalaxy.com/list/song.php?&g=101039
w00t about D'n'B with 2/5 :L
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| Originally posted by Ianhymers technicly none of theys tracks are in true 3/4 time... they are actuly in 4/4 playing thirds insted of the normal 16th notes to make a "groove".. its kinda hard to exsplane.. the reason dance music is not in 3/4 is it would be really hard to dance to and almost inposable to mix.. but i could see how people would think that its 3/4. if i get some time i will post some loops of what i am talkin about but if you know anyone with a backing in clasical music or even a drummer thay could exsplain it... |
6/8 reduces to 3/4 in the lowest denomination.. so technically they are the same. *shifts glasses*
Must be the exams getting to me 
your right about 6/8 being like 3/4. If you saw music in a 6/8 bar there are actually 3 beats in the measure but you can't look at it like that because there is really 6 beats thats are in same time of the 3/4 so it will surley have a different feel
The 3/4 vs 6/8 thing is kinda difficult to explain.. it's more about the rhythm than the actual time.
Yes you're correct in that they're the same fraction, but 6/8 has a totally different rhythm to it.
Using capital letters for emphasis, 3/4 is:
ONE Two three
Whereas 6/8 is:
ONE Two three Four five six
6/8 has more of a flowing feel to it...
Hope this helps
More explanations about 3/4 vs. 6/8
One main difference between 6/8 time and 3/4 time that makes them NOT interchangable is the focus on the eighth notes that 6/8 has, and the focus on the quarter notes that 3/4 has. Although the total time elapsed by 3 quarter notes is the same amount of time elapsed by 6 eighth notes is the same, 6/8 has a more bouncy feel to it than 3/4 time. 3/4 time tends to have more weight on the first beat than the other two, so it may sound similar to (where & means wait a bit of time before going on...try saying these out loud)
'BOOM & boom & boom, BOOM & boom & boom'...etc. On the other hand, 6/8 sounds like it is divided into 2, with each of those two pulses having 3 eight notes in them. (123-456, 123-456)...OR....it could be boom & boom boom & boom boom & boom...(as in, loud first and third beats in the two pulses per measure, and less significant second beat). If you have any specific other questions about music theory stuff like this question email [email protected] I'd be glad to help...
Oh yeah, 6/8 sounds a lot like the rhythm of skipping... a really famous classical piece that is a sort of relaxed sounding 9/8 is similar to my explanation of 6/8 in the grouping, 3 eighths per group, only in 9/8 there are 3 groups...on audiogalaxy, 'Bach - Jesu, Joy of man's desiring'...you'll definitely recognize the piece...
related this music stuff to trance is a good thing/bad thing. It seems people care about the rythnm which is great because there are tunes that don't just go boom boom boom boom over and over which I guess is 4/4 --I like to hear off beats so proboably there be many rest. You should ask a composer(producer of trance) about this because even they musit know about this stuff. Unless they have incredible good ears because I taught myslef piano by ear but I know I am not even close to someone who can play it correctly. Patients is the key to play with ear.
Folks, while you're discussing it... please try to give your recommendations... That's the original purpose of the topic...
ya as posted earlier i seriously doubt there's any trance in 3/4 time... ive never heard any. very likely just thirds over 4 beats.
which is different.
and for the guy who doesnt know what 3/4 is, just count 123,123,123,123 fast.. with the emphasis on the ones.
and try to count along to trance on every beat with it. you cant
6/8 and 3/4 are interchangeable at least in the sense that if you composed a piece in 6/8, in Reason or something, you could easily change it to 3/4 and have it sound exactly the same
(tho that would be a pain in the ass)
Overdrive is in 4/4...it just sounds like it's in 3/4 alot of times...
What is that awesome beat that's in Punk, Gouryella Gouryella, Dance Valley 2001, and several other tracks?
If you don't know what i'm talking about...
3:48 Ferry Corsten - Punk
3:19 System F - Dance Valley 2001
7:23 Gouryella - Gouryella
4:27 Push - Tranzy State of Mind (2002 Club Mix)
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| Originally posted by davinox Overdrive is in 4/4...it just sounds like it's in 3/4 alot of times... What is that awesome beat that's in Punk, Gouryella Gouryella, Dance Valley 2001, and several other tracks? If you don't know what i'm talking about... 3:48 Ferry Corsten - Punk 3:19 System F - Dance Valley 2001 7:23 Gouryella - Gouryella 4:27 Push - Tranzy State of Mind (2002 Club Mix) |
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| Originally posted by webmeister The 3/4 vs 6/8 thing is kinda difficult to explain.. it's more about the rhythm than the actual time. Yes you're correct in that they're the same fraction, but 6/8 has a totally different rhythm to it. Using capital letters for emphasis, 3/4 is: ONE Two three Whereas 6/8 is: ONE Two three Four five six 6/8 has more of a flowing feel to it... Hope this helps |
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