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Posted by MessiahProject on Jul-07-2007 21:16:

'Authentic' percussion

Obviously 'live' drummers cant hit their hi hats and cymbals whilst simultaneously hitting snares etc - but when we create loops the hats play all the time (does that make sense?)

I was wondering if any tracks are actually created that sound like they use 'real' drummers?

I dont suppose it matters but I just wondered thats all!

TMP

Posted by unripelemon on Jul-07-2007 22:59:

erm, a drummer can hit a cymbal and a snare at the same time. u have to remember drummers, like the rest of us humans, have two arms and two legs.

I think most of The Chemical Brothers - Surrender album was done with live drums, chopped up and processed.

Posted by Fait on Jul-07-2007 23:11:

I have 3 arms.

But I think that drummers are completely capable of playing a lot of the drum loops that we create.

Posted by unripelemon on Jul-07-2007 23:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Fait
I have 3 arms.

Your gf is a lucky woman lol

Posted by kitphillips on Jul-08-2007 02:29:

Re: 'Authentic' percussion

quote:
Originally posted by MessiahProject
Obviously 'live' drummers cant hit their hi hats and cymbals whilst simultaneously hitting snares etc - but when we create loops the hats play all the time (does that make sense?)

I was wondering if any tracks are actually created that sound like they use 'real' drummers?

I dont suppose it matters but I just wondered thats all!

TMP

Yeah, lots of drummers played the 16th hihat lines we make in the disco days, I think that's where it started. They then had another hand to hit the snare and a foot on the kick. Since thats the main drums we use in trance I think they should be alright. Also, they can vary the sound of the hihat with their foot. If you start throwing in tambourines or whatever, then that stuff isnt usually done by the drummer in real life, its done by extra people, often singers etc.

Posted by echosystm on Jul-08-2007 02:36:

MOST edm loops won't be reproducible by a single human... Obviously techno is impossible, and trance typically uses 2+ hat/shaker loops which is also impossible. Electro and breaks are probably the only genres which could often be achieved by a live drumer. If you listen to stuff from Sneaky Soundsystem or Grant Smilie, most of it has been done with the aim of sounding live.

Posted by DiscoStew on Jul-08-2007 03:02:

Have you seen the drum set that the drummer from Dream Theatre uses?

The sounds that this guy puts out put even the most percussive EDM to shame.

Posted by echosystm on Jul-08-2007 05:42:

quote:
Originally posted by DJChrisB
Have you seen the drum set that the drummer from Dream Theatre uses?

The sounds that this guy puts out put even the most percussive EDM to shame.

The number of drums is irrelevant... he still only has two arms and two legs. all he's done is added a double kick.

Posted by kitphillips on Jul-08-2007 06:01:

Posted by Domesticated on Jul-08-2007 06:17:

ACID RAIN

p.s teh drummer from Tool is better.

Posted by thoughtlessjex on Jul-08-2007 07:19:

Posted by meDina on Jul-08-2007 07:30:

listen to more necrophagist

Posted by T-Soma on Jul-08-2007 07:40:

I favourite of mine that has been playing with a live is Booka Shade.
And a group that does psy called Decoy also plays live.

Posted by Eldritch on Jul-08-2007 12:28:

quote:
Originally posted by thoughtlessjex
Is he an alien with two asses?

LMAO

Posted by DigiNut on Jul-08-2007 15:48:

Re: 'Authentic' percussion

quote:
Originally posted by MessiahProject
but when we create loops the hats play all the time

"We?" Alrighty then.

I think it sounds pretty ugly when and open and closed hi-hat play at the same time. I avoid that, and other sounds that are completely unnatural. Incidentally, a drummer most certainly can hit a closed hat and snare at the same time, what do you think the foot pedal is for on a hat?

When it comes to bongos, shakers, claps, etc., things that aren't part of a drum set to begin with, then you might as well relax those restrictions because in a real band or orchestra they'd have multiple percussionists. But the basic "drum set" of kicks, snares, and hats, really should be humanized if your target audience includes anybody who might also listen to rock music or have listened to it in the past.

Also, once people put down the crack-pipe of pattern sequencing, it's easy to do other humanizations, mainly taking out or shifting random bits from the drums in bars and/or inserting fills.