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A&H Xone 92 & Pioneer EFX 500

I tried doing some searches but I can never get the search function to work properly on this site...

I have a Xone 92 and an EFX 500. I've never been able to successfully hook the two together. Does someone have step-by-step instructions for a retard like myself? I would greatly appreciate it!

I had heard that these two are unable to work together... is that true? Sorry I don't know much about EFX machines...

Thank you,
Keith

are you sure you searched well? there was a thread just a few months ago about exactly this issue.

Yeah I remember the topic too. I'll search for it also, because I might buy an EFX1000 soon so I'd like to see how to plug it in

A&H92 Aux Out ---> EFX Input

EFX Output ---> A&H92 Channel Input

Assign the EFX channel to your xfader, and then assign whatever channel you would like to the effect to work on also to the xfader and then you can use the xfader as a wet/dry fader.

It sounds complicated but once its setup, its very nice to use.

Also, there may be a couple of things I've missed out there as I'm typing this by memory and it was a while back when I set it up.

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Originally posted by agentdansmith A&H92 Aux Out ---> EFX Input EFX Output ---> A&H92 Channel Input Assign the EFX channel to your xfader, and then assign whatever channel you would like to the effect to work on also to the xfader and then you can use the xfader as a wet/dry fader. It sounds complicated but once its setup, its very nice to use.

Keith - This set up makes sense. I didn't think of this setup when i tried to hook it up the other day. I'm so used to the pioneer setup that uses send & receive with a level/depth (wet/dry) knob.

The configuration that agentdansmith recommended should work. Depending on how you set up your EFX, you can always have the xfader set so you hear 100% effect b/c if you have no effect playing, all you will hear is the straight mix. (I say this because I know you really wanted to work with the jog wheel-based effects. For beat-based effects, you will really need the wet/dry feature. Plus the EFX should have its own wet/dry settings.)

Let me know how it works out for you.

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Originally posted by agentdansmith A&H92 Aux Out ---> EFX Input EFX Output ---> A&H92 Channel Input Assign the EFX channel to your xfader, and then assign whatever channel you would like to the effect to work on also to the xfader and then you can use the xfader as a wet/dry fader. It sounds complicated but once its setup, its very nice to use. Also, there may be a couple of things I've missed out there as I'm typing this by memory and it was a while back when I set it up.

can you select a channel to send to the efx this way or will it only apply it to the master??

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Originally posted by wee_rooney can you select a channel to send to the efx this way or will it only apply it to the master??

Every channel outputs through the AUX OUT, but each channel also has its own AUX Out Level knob - so to select which channel I want to go through the EFX unit I just turn the AUX on that channel to MAX and the AUX on the other channel to MIN.

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Originally posted by agentdansmith A&H92 Aux Out ---> EFX Input EFX Output ---> A&H92 Channel Input Assign the EFX channel to your xfader, and then assign whatever channel you would like to the effect to work on also to the xfader and then you can use the xfader as a wet/dry fader. It sounds complicated but once its setup, its very nice to use. Also, there may be a couple of things I've missed out there as I'm typing this by memory and it was a while back when I set it up.

This is, in my opinion, the only functional way to setup a Xone and an EFX. It lacks sends/returns and, as Dan said, sounds incredibly complicated, but most of the Xone is already complicated and it's just another thing that is very easy to use once you get the hang of it.

thanks everyone! when i go home tonight i will try and set it up... you're right, it does sound complicated to me (i don't really know how to use this equipment yet) but i'll be sure to snoop around the manuals and try and set everything up.

thanks so much for the input... if you find that other thread please post the link too.

thanks,
keith

Yeah, I can almost promise you that there are going to be a lot of moments where the sound will just die and you'll just look at the mixer going, "What the fuck just happened?" Hell, I've had my Xone/EFX for almost two years now and I still do that on occasion. Good luck.

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Originally posted by idoru Yeah, I can almost promise you that there are going to be a lot of moments where the sound will just die and you'll just look at the mixer going, "What the fuck just happened?" Hell, I've had my Xone/EFX for almost two years now and I still do that on occasion. Good luck.

stupid question for future owner of EFX on Xone :

why does the sound die ?

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Originally posted by Neo Hacker stupid question for future owner of EFX on Xone : why does the sound die ?

power cut? hehe

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Originally posted by Spoonz power cut? hehe

lol no I was talking about the EFX and Xone together Power failures is obviously enough for a sound cut hehe

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Originally posted by wee_rooney can you select a channel to send to the efx this way or will it only apply it to the master??

been a while since i've seen you posting. You were right about the DJX 700 by the way, fucking gash.

It doesn't lack send and returns... that's exactly what they are... 2 sends, 2 returns (the aux channels).

It's just that they are setup like a studio mixer. You have controls above each channel to adjust how much sound for each channel goes out the send channels. Then you have channels faders on the left of the mixer to adjust how much of the wet signal comes back into the mixer. The problem is that if you don't turn down the dry channel, you'll have both the wet and dry playing at once which ends up being too much.

Most people are just used to the style that pioneer introduced (or at least made popular with the DJM-500/600): A single send and return pair. There is a simple knob to select which channel "goes out" the send, and then a "wet/dry" knob to adjust how "effected" (wet) that channels signal is. The switch is done seemlessly.

The Xone's is more flexible, the Pioneers (and a lot of other mixers) is easier to use.

By routing the wet signal back to a real mixer channel instead of the aux returns, and assigning the wet and dry to the crossfader, you are essentially emulating the Pioneers setup.

I would assume you would get silence if you forget to switch the crossfader assigns off after you were done

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Originally posted by idoru This is, in my opinion, the only functional way to setup a Xone and an EFX. It lacks sends/returns and, as Dan said, sounds incredibly complicated, but most of the Xone is already complicated and it's just another thing that is very easy to use once you get the hang of it.

FYI, this is what one of the Xone guys wrote:

The best way to link the EFX and the 92 is using the AUXes and the stereo returns. Connect Aux1 out of the 92 to the line in of the EFX using two TRS 6.25mm jack leads. Connect the output of the EFX to the L and R Return 1 inputs of the Mic/Return channel 1. Now, as you turn up the Aux 1 pots on the channels of the 92, audio is sent to the EFX, processed and returned to the return 1 channel (make sure it is set to RTN and not MIC!).



The best way to use this method is to lower the channel fader when you raise the return channel fader. This prevents strange audio phase issues which happen when you have two copies of the signal out of phase by a partial waveform.



You can send any of the channels audio to the EFX using the AUX 1 pot on the specific channel. Use AUX 2 if AUX 1 is already being used. The Pre buttons on the channels, just below the AUX pots set the signal send to the EFX as pre-fader, so the channel fader doesn�t control the level of audio that the EFX gets at its input.

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Originally posted by keithos27 FYI, this is what one of the Xone guys wrote: The best way to link the EFX and the 92 is using the AUXes and the stereo returns. Connect Aux1 out of the 92 to the line in of the EFX using two TRS 6.25mm jack leads. Connect the output of the EFX to the L and R Return 1 inputs of the Mic/Return channel 1. Now, as you turn up the Aux 1 pots on the channels of the 92, audio is sent to the EFX, processed and returned to the return 1 channel (make sure it is set to RTN and not MIC!). The best way to use this method is to lower the channel fader when you raise the return channel fader. This prevents strange audio phase issues which happen when you have two copies of the signal out of phase by a partial waveform. You can send any of the channels audio to the EFX using the AUX 1 pot on the specific channel. Use AUX 2 if AUX 1 is already being used. The Pre buttons on the channels, just below the AUX pots set the signal send to the EFX as pre-fader, so the channel fader doesn�t control the level of audio that the EFX gets at its input.

I haven't tried this method yet myself but this is because I was told that it is hard to lower one fader while raising another without a drop in sound somewhere in the middle.

Whereas if you set it up the way I mentioned earlier, and then adjust the xfader curve to max, you will get a smooth fade from playing track to EFX.

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Originally posted by agentdansmith I haven't tried this method yet myself but this is because I was told that it is hard to lower one fader while raising another without a drop in sound somewhere in the middle. Whereas if you set it up the way I mentioned earlier, and then adjust the xfader curve to max, you will get a smooth fade from playing track to EFX.

Yeah, the method you recommended seems like it would give MUCH better results. Especially since you can tweak the xfader on the Xone and make it keep the mix perfectly level while using the xfader as a wet/dry control.

I can't believe they have not put insert sends on the Xone mixers, and that you have to use an aux send and bus it to an Aux channel.

Seems a really clumsy way of integrating external FX.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I can't believe they have not put insert sends on the Xone mixers, and that you have to use an aux send and bus it to an Aux channel. Seems a really clumsy way of integrating external FX.

They have put sends on there (they're just called AUX instead). Read Ryan's post above and it explains why.

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Originally posted by agentdansmith I haven't tried this method yet myself but this is because I was told that it is hard to lower one fader while raising another without a drop in sound somewhere in the middle. Whereas if you set it up the way I mentioned earlier, and then adjust the xfader curve to max, you will get a smooth fade from playing track to EFX.

Yeah I'll take your word for it as I have not set this up yet and have no idea really what the pros/cons are... I'm too new to this stuff to really understand it yet.

Hopefully will have time tonight to set this puppy up and will let you know how it turns out. Thanks again for the help yesterday.

Agreed. Especially since the 92 improved on almost all of the faults people had with the 62. Maybe in the next model

Though a lot of other club mixers have the same problem. The popular Rane 2016 has one effect insert at the master out. You can select "on" or "off", and then have to do everything on the effects unit (wet/dry). That's even more limited.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I can't believe they have not put insert sends on the Xone mixers, and that you have to use an aux send and bus it to an Aux channel. Seems a really clumsy way of integrating external FX.

Having said all this, when I first got my EFX500 I was also very eager to get it setup to my Xone92 (which I had only bought a couple of days earlier).

But since I have been become much more confident using the xones filters, I don't even turn the EFX unit on anymore. In my opinion, you can have much more fun and be more creative with a set of good filters than you can with a bunch of effects that all sound a little OTT in my opinion.

So my advice is, if you've only just got ya xone, spend some time getting to know that well before adding anything else to it

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Originally posted by agentdansmith Having said all this, when I first got my EFX500 I was also very eager to get it setup to my Xone92 (which I had only bought a couple of days earlier). But since I have been become much more confident using the xones filters, I don't even turn the EFX unit on anymore. In my opinion, you can have much more fun and be more creative with a set of good filters than you can with a bunch of effects that all sound a little OTT in my opinion. So my advice is, if you've only just got ya xone, spend some time getting to know that well before adding anything else to it

yeah in the long run that is def. the better advice. at this point i dont really know how to use any of my equipment (or dj)... i bought it a while back, got a new job, started my mba, and next thing i knew i hadn't touched the decks in over a year.

now i'm still just as busy, but i still want to commit some time to learning how to dj. as cheesey as this will sound, my first goal (with respects to effects) is to learn how to do that "airplane" noise... i want to recreate the moment during oakey's essential mix where he played out jon vesta - gull and did that airplane noise... i just want to recreate that in my apartment... i'm not going to start going airplane noise happy, haha... just wanted to hear it.

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Originally posted by agentdansmith They have put sends on there (they're just called AUX instead). Read Ryan's post above and it explains why.

Dude, learn your terminology - They are Aux sends and not Insert sends (i.e. dedicated send and return in the channel's signal flow and not a send to come back in to another channel). Check Ryans later post - he knows what I'm talking about.

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