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Global broadband prices revealed

Some of you may recall that there was a recent thread discussing the fact that Canadians already pay some of the highest usage fees for mobile phone service in the world .. well it also seems that we now pay some of the highest fees for Broadband internet accesss as well among developed countries..

even Rogers' Entry Level plan starts at $25 CDN / month for basic access. All figures shown in the article in in USD.

does anyone feel that this country's CRTC needs to start opening up the Canadian telecom industry to more foreign competition yet?

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Global broadband prices revealed Broadband users in 30 of the world's most developed countries are getting greatly differing speeds and prices, according to a report. The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) report says 60% of its member countries net users are now on broadband. The report said countries that had switched to fibre networks had the best speeds at the lowest prices. In Japan net users have 100Mbps lines, 10 times higher than the OECD average. Japan's price for broadband per megabit per second is the lowest in the OECD at $0.22 (0.11p), said the report. The most expensive is Turkey at $81.13 (�40.56). In the US, the cheapest megabit per second broadband connection is $3.18 (�1.59) while in the UK it is $3.62 (�1.81). CHEAPEST ENTRY LEVEL BROADBAND* Sweden $10.79 Denmark $11.11 Switzerland $12.53 US $15.93 France $16.36 Netherlands $16.85 New Zealand $16.86 Italy $17.63 Ireland $18.18 Finland $19.49 *Source: OECD. Figures for October 2006 Subscribers to Japan's fibre networks can also upload at the same speed they can download, which is not possible with ADSL (broadband over a telephone line) and most cable subscriptions. Sweden, Korea and Finland also offer 100Mbps net connections, as all four countries have switched to fibre optic networks. The OECD represents 30 of the leading democratic economics, from Australia to the US, France to Japan. "Broadband is very quickly becoming the basic medium for sevice delivery on both fixed and wireless networks," said the report. JupiterResearch telecoms analyst Ian Fogg said: "It's very hard to draw comparisons across 30 countries globally because there are different trends happening in each of them. However, he said the entry price for broadband was an incredibly important criteria to compare. "Because the market is very fragmented consumers care about cheap prices." According to the report, broadband prices for DSL connections across the 30 countries have fallen by 19% and increased in speed by 29% in the year to October 2006. Cable prices and speeds followed a similar trend. BT (in the UK) has been very slow to switch across (to ADSL2+). Ian Fogg, JupiterResearch The least expensive monthly subscription for always-on broadband was in Sweden, where $10.79 (�5.40) bought a 256kbps connection. The country with the most expensive entry point for broadband access was Mexico, where it cost $52.36 (�26.18)for 1mbps. Mr Fogg said: "In many of the OECD countries those people without broadband and making the transition are feeling their way and are very conscious of price. They haven't seen the need to go to broadband historically." The entry-level price points do not take into account bundled deals, such as incorporating free broadband with a TV contract, which are becoming increasingly important to the market. Mr Fogg said many countries had seen a jump in broadband speeds over the last few years as many ISPs utilising existing telephone lines had started to push ADSL2+. ADSL2+ is a technology which doubles the frequency band of a typical ADSL connection over a phone line, in effect doubling the amount of data which can be sent downstream to a user. The theoretical maximum speed of an ADSL2+ line is 24Mbps, still much slower than speeds over fibre optic networks. "ADSL2+ hasn't happened everywhere and it's happened at different times in different countries," explained Mr Fogg. "France was the first country in the western world to use the technology, about two or three years ago. "BT (in the UK) has been very slow to switch across. The only option for UK customers has been to get it from competitors, notably Be, which is owned by O2, and Sky." Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/...ogy/6900697.stm Published: 2007/07/16 13:01:58 GMT

Population density makes fibre networks much cheaper to install.

Since we do not have significant population density - don't expect 100 mbps fibre lines anytime soon.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Population density makes fibre networks much cheaper to install. Since we do not have significant population density - don't expect 100 mbps fibre lines anytime soon.

this is tru .. altho if you compare Ontario to say Finland, population density is somewhat comparable, i.e. 13.93/km� to 16/km�

i can't imagine there not being a business case to provide fibre optic network service say across southern Ontario (7-8 million people?). running highspeed networks up into Timmins probably wouldn't net u a huge profit, albeit less breakeven..

oddly enough, despite our seemingly higher than normal usage fees we're still getting the highest penetration in broadband usage among G8 countries ...

the full report can be found here:

http://www.oecd.org/document/7/0,33...1_1_1_1,00.html

Few problems:

the government prevents non-canadian companies for providing internet/cell phone coverage, so we are stuck with the following vendors: telus, rogers, cogeco, videotron, bell and a few others.

Since the amount of vendors is pretty low, the dont have to fight much price wise and keep their prices high.




RIAA, MPAA and and other loosers keep lobying the US gov. against high speed networks with are often the carriers of pirated content.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41004


High speed granny has $250,000 of kit

On the Mohney It's just a Swedish stunt


By Doug Mohney: Monday 16 July 2007, 08:02

PETER L�thberg is grinning ear-to-ear because he has people abuzz. L�thberg, as you may have read here, hooked up his dear old mum with 40Gbps Internet connectivity.
Of course, what the paper seems to have missed and L�thberg failed to mention was there is around upwards of at least $250,000 in hardware sitting in his Mum�s home to terminate the 40 Gbps circuit, including a backbone grade CRS-1

. That's not exactly peanuts. Or was it a $250,000 optical line card? I�m not a big Cisco guy these days, but it�s some gobsmacking expensive gear that you can�t buy at the Big Box store, much less get a decent-sized phone company to support.

You also need "dark" fibre between two points to bring everything up, so existing fibre infrastructures won�t work well with the stunt. Forget this coming to your neighborhood anytime soon unless your name is Gates or Buffet or someone else on the Fortune billionaire�s list.

Network geeks like me reckon the real value to this stunt is that phone companies could flush a whole layer of their legacy infrastructure on the backbone side while gaining higher network speeds, skipping over 10 Gbps backbone links and going straight to 40 Gbps. No dorking around with OC-whatever protocols required.

The demonstration also points out the value of fibre in the ground and to the home and buildings when compared to copper or cable and the patchwork of solutions needed to rev up the speeds of both for delivery of high speed data, with HDTV being the highest-speed type of data people want these days.

For real-world, large scale deployments to the home, Verizon�s FiOS plant currently has the most underestimated potential for high-speed consumer broadband delivery. Verizon hasn�t been shy in highlighting its GPON technology. The company thinks it can deliver symmetrical data speeds between 50 to 100 Mbps, plus a whole wavelength of light just dedicated to video. Put another way, it has three wavelengths of light, one that has the total data carrying capacity of what a cable company has on their cable.

But, Verizon�s worst enemy may be its own conservative don�t-push-the-envelope-too-much mindset, offering just enough bandwidth to compete with the existing cable broadband offering. So some regions may get 35 Mbps, others may have 50 Mbps, and still others may get as much as 100 Mbps, all depending on how fast and aggressive the local cable company has their speed dialed up.

The Verizon engineering guys say their GPON gear can be dialed up to 200 Mbps symmetrical bandwidth with no hardware changes and they could do so upon market support and market demand. This is the cable company killer app, since the cable companies are just starting to get around to DOCSYS 3.0 and the potential for 200 Mbps speed.

By the cable people start seriously deploying DOCSYS 3.0, Verizon will likely move out of GPON in, of course, the selected markets deploying DOCSYS 3.0, and move up to either WDM-PON or 10GB-PON or whatever is the best cost and most cost-effective alternatives. It�s premature to say exactly what speeds the end user at home would get, but 1GBps or faster to the home would be likely, assuming all that expensive 40GBps to 100GBps backbone gear is up to support everything. [Aren't you just jealous of the Swedish mum, Doug? Ed.] �

my parents (in Ukraine) recently doubled their speed, so they have about the same speed as I do (high speed with Rogers), and pay about USD7/month flat rate..

actually a friend of mine is testing a fiber optic connection at her home for Bell, she tells me its super fast and it cost her 30$ a month.

one thing i also hate is the fucking LIMIT!

in Windsor I am with MNSI - no limit! all these other companies max out ur bandwidth ... its soo gay

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Originally posted by dEsidEL this is tru .. altho if you compare Ontario to say Finland, population density is somewhat comparable, i.e. 13.93/km� to 16/km�

If you take actual livable area and divide by population - Finland is much more dense.

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Originally posted by malek actually a friend of mine is testing a fiber optic connection at her home for Bell, she tells me its super fast and it cost her 30$ a month.

Yeah as an intro rate! $70, or $100 per month after the initial offer.

I am switching away from bell for my internet. After they threatened to cap all their customers, after going back on their word, I have had enough of them and their inflated prices.

Acanac $25/month, taxes, rentals fees in.

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Originally posted by Orko Yeah as an intro rate! $70, or $100 per month after the initial offer. I am switching away from bell for my internet. After they threatened to cap all their customers, after going back on their word, I have had enough of them and their inflated prices. Acanac $25/month, taxes, rentals fees in.

Teksavvy dude. best customer service out there.

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Originally posted by Orko Yeah as an intro rate! $70, or $100 per month after the initial offer. I am switching away from bell for my internet. After they threatened to cap all their customers, after going back on their word, I have had enough of them and their inflated prices. Acanac $25/month, taxes, rentals fees in.

Thanks for the link Orko.. I just ordered the residential DSL service.. i'm sick and tired of Rogers. I'm paying $45/month for packet shaping.. and bandwidth caps.. seriously wtf..

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker If you take actual livable area and divide by population - Finland is much more dense.

well i'm not too sure what you mean by 'liveable' area, but i'm guessing you mean areas that have already undergone some significant urban development. if we focus just on Southern Ontario and compare that to say the southern coast of Finland where most of the population resides i'd say the density is still somewhat comparable if not greater in Southern Ontario (TO already having a higher population than Helsinki). Anyways, what I'm getting at here is trying to understand that if population density was relatively the same between the two, then what other factors have helped provide a business case for Finland that Southern Ontario lacks in order to have equally priced service at higher speeds.

Given Toronto's proximity to large US cities, you've got to wonder whether foreign competition in telecom would allow for the economies of scale necessary to make fibre optic networks affordable to consumers and profitable to service providers.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe Thanks for the link Orko.. I just ordered the residential DSL service.. i'm sick and tired of Rogers. I'm paying $45/month for packet shaping.. and bandwidth caps.. seriously wtf..

nice.. i may just switch as well .. too bad Orko isn't gettin any referral bonuses lol

Ugh. France is ahead of us. FRANCE, PEOPLE! Can't we do any better than this!?

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Originally posted by smuncky Teksavvy dude. best customer service out there.

I"ve heard good things about these guys from everyone. Enough to make me want to switch my Bell service to them, since I'll be getting the same speed for cheaper and compare Bell's 30gb/mth $5o/mth - $1.50/gb thereafter to their 100gb/mth aprox $30/mth with Teksavvy.

The only thing is that they're 3rd party vendors who 'rent' the lines from Bell. I know a few people who work for Bell who say they've purposely fk'd around with 3rd party co. that use their lines.

Bell's OptiMax looks cool:

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Special Edition: $24.95/month for the first 3 months (includes $5/month Bell Bundle savings)� Download access speed 7 Mbps / Upload access speed 1 Mbps $29.95/month for the first 3 months when purchased separately. Thereafter: $55/month (less $5/month on a Bell Bundle) Special edition offers: Free in-home installation� Free fully-supported wireless Home Networking modem� Free award-winning online security services - no other Internet service provider in Canada is doing more to protect you online Download a single song (5 MB) in 7 seconds Additional 30 GB of download capacity per month Sympatico Optimax 10: 10 Mbps download speed / 1 Mbps upload speed Build a bundle, save a bundle. Every month. $29.95/month for the first 3 months (includes $5/month Bell Bundle savings)� $34.95/month for the first 3 months when purchased separately. Thereafter: $70/month (less $5/month on a Bell Bundle) Sympatico Optimax 16: 16 Mbps download speed / 1 Mbps upload speed Build a bundle, save a bundle. Every month. $29.95/month for the first 3 months (includes $5/month Bell Bundle savings)� $34.95/month for the first 3 months when purchased separately. Thereafter: $100/month (less $5/month on a Bell Bundle) Benefits & features: Consistently receive maximum Internet access speed� Free in-home installation. Our professional installer will certify that you're up and running at the full speed you subscribed to before leaving your home� Connect wirelessly with the Bell Wireless Home Networking Modem�

I like that Special Edition cause it costs the same that I"m paying right now, but with 2gb more bandwidth. Shitty they don't service my highrise, even though I'm in the city.

The other packages are ridiculous

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Originally posted by Stilez The only thing is that they're 3rd party vendors who 'rent' the lines from Bell. I know a few people who work for Bell who say they've purposely fk'd around with 3rd party co. that use their lines.

they're probably renting the DSLAM ports from Bell too...

Interesting article. Thanks. A quick search for an analysis of OECD Broadband Markets directed me to a May 2006 report prepared by a consulting firm for a group called internetNZ. According to this privately commissioned report, Canada ranks 4th overall (which combines business and residential broadband rankings). Of note, Canada ranks 4th in business broadband value and 10th in residential value.

Anyway, I haven't really taken the time determine the rigour of this report (and it is more than a year old), but it does make me think that MAYBE things really aren't that bad in Canada. Things could certainly be worse.


Comparison of OECD Broadband Markets - May 2006
A comparison of cost and performance data for business and residential broadband products in 26 OECD countries

http://www.internetnz.net.nz/issues...oadband-markets

Overall Value Rankings

Grade = A
1. Sweden

Grade = B
2. Netherlands
3. Norway
4. Canada
5. Germany
6. United States

Grade = C
7. Spain
8. Slovakia
9. Finland
10. Portugal
11. Czech Republic
12. France
13. Iceland
14. Belgium
15. Denmark
16. Italy
17. Australia
18. Austria

Grade = D
19. Switzerland
20. United Kingdom
21. Hungary
22. New Zealand
23. Luxembourg
24. Ireland
25. Poland
26. Mexico

See page 26 of the report for details of rankings.

Country excerpts...

Canada

Canada is unusual in that, like the US, it relies mainly on cable internet connections for broadband provision. The result is that Canadians enjoy relatively high speeds for both downloads and uploads and this pushes Canada to 4th overall in terms of value. Because internet service is in addition to existing cable, installation costs are relatively low. Note however that 56% of products are capped. Canada rates in the upper third in terms of subscription costs.


Finally, DigiNut, FYI...

France

The dataset for France is a tale of two countries. In terms of residential broadband, France rates highest of all the countries for value, but it ranks close to last in terms of business products. This places it in 12th place overall, close to its OECD broadband ranking (14th) and above its e-readiness ranking of 19th. French broadband users are most likely to receive a slow upload speed � 32.4% are less than 128Kbps and more than two thirds are 256Kbps or less. Whilst it ranks towards the middle for DSL download speeds, 43% of all products surveyed are 5Mbps or over. It is in this statistics that the rating anomaly is explained, as France offers a range of high-specification products for business customers that attract a significant cost premium. For the typical residential or small business customer, there is a wide choice of products at a relatively low cost and France is the fourth cheapest country for residential DSL products. France has the highest connection charges of all the countries reviewed here, again largely influenced by high-end business packages.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Ugh. France is ahead of us. FRANCE, PEOPLE! Can't we do any better than this!?

LOL!

but seriously....wtf....sad...

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