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[girls]something ive been wanting to ask for a long time

ok, so this is something that i has crossed my mind various times...maybe i already made a thread about it but i forget.

this isnt troll shit im serious. I'd really like some feedback cuz im totally lost as to how this stuff works.

ok, so I personally think that girls are pretty much equal to dudes...if anything judging by highschool girls are smarter. Uh physically...I don't give a fuck most of them are stronger than me anyways. Thats not very important now.

so why is it that males still dominate so much stuff. Like why are the best or most "innovative" chefs/clothing designers/interior designers/makup artists or whatever still dudes. Why is it that even in industries where most of the people interested in it, and trained in it are totally women, but men are still at the top?

Is this just the whole male bias thing in the corporate world? Well forget that then...let me look at something else.

Why does it seem like to some extent guys tend to have a higher creativity ratio or something...like not as many girls produce, or invent and shit like that...maybe they are equally involved in like drama and visual arts and shit...and dance...but yeah guys still are at the top of those too. Don't get me wrong I know they have done mad things and everything, but like for every 10 dudes that write music how many girls do you think do?

Whats weird is that some girls actually are like...uh stereotypical girls...like the kind that would make a liberal feminist want to throw up, and they like it that way...they have no desire to break that. They are cool with being objects or whatever. I guess i have to remember that the majority of males are lame too, but cool girls who are interested in cool shit seem even rarer...I've seen like 2 girls on the internets who know how to tweak the shit out of proper synthesizers or some shit like that. Yeah I understand that girls are gonna have different interests...but still. I guess I don't buy into that oh no girls arent gonna like synthesizers and outer space, because i'm a boy and I like dresses and flowers.

I dont know exactly what my question is...maybe like do you guys think these things are all due to conditioning? or is it like a physical/instict thing.

Like I said I'm not trolling, seriously, if i said anything that offends girls (or dudes) it was unintentional. Oh yeah and I don't wanna google this shit, because its all fucking crazy ass extremist literature on it.

inb4tldr

I'm kind of curious about the same thing actually. Was talking to my sister about why there are so few female DJ's/producers just the other day, but it really applies to almost anything out there.

I think a lot of chicks are still just brought up to think that finding a good husband, getting married and having kids is all they really want/need out of life, which is fine I guess if that's what they want. Just because the options are there doesn't mean they want to take them.

I think maybe the ones that don't want to get married and shit (well not right away at least) feel pressured to automatically take on a major corporate/academic roll.

Also female djs suck. Just as bad as male ones.
END THE DJ.


see how poorly she cues that record? and how she pretends to be really working those eqs and cutting the bass on the track...well trance djs do that too.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps I think maybe the ones that don't want to get married and shit (well not right away at least) feel pressured to automatically take on a major corporate/academic roll.

Yeah maybe, a kind of kneejerk reaction, they go off completely in the opposite direction or whatever.

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Also female djs suck. Just as bad as male ones. END THE DJ.

Come again? Kind of confused by your point here.

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Originally posted by Taranis Come again? Kind of confused by your point here.

I like to see musicians perform their work.
IE: jamming the boxes.
like making music. Did you know you can make electronic music live? Like real music!

I don't want to see someone play a bunch of other peoples music and get paid MORE IN A NIGHT THAN A PRODUCER MAKES IN A FUCKING MONTH.

this is off topic though, and im totally gonna get flamed for this bit.

I'd really like to hear some girls imput on this (the original subject)...especially that one who blocks everybody...she seemed businessy...but she probably has me blocked lol.

Re: [girls]something ive been wanting to ask for a long time

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Originally posted by beats and beeps I dont know exactly what my question is...maybe like do you guys think these things are all due to conditioning?

Neither do I really, maybe it's best you answer your own perception and definition on 'success' in certain areas and occupations.

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Originally posted by Lilith Neither do I really, maybe it's best you answer your own perception and definition on 'success' in certain areas and occupations.

lol right on cue.

anyways, its not about success really, I don't give a fuck about the money thing.

I just mean in general...forget success I'm talking mostly about arts in the second half of the post...and theres no money or success in arts really aside from the artists feelings about their work.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps I like to see musicians perform their work. IE: jamming the boxes. like making music. Did you know you can make electronic music live? Like real music! I don't want to see someone play a bunch of other peoples music and get paid MORE IN A NIGHT THAN A PRODUCER MAKES IN A FUCKING MONTH. this is off topic though, and im totally gonna get flamed for this bit. I'd really like to hear some girls imput on this (the original subject)...especially that one who blocks everybody...she seemed businessy...but she probably has me blocked lol.

oh fuck off and make me some emo trip hop



no seriously





i keed i keed


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no but seriously...

Yes, it is conditioning. From the earliest years of a female child's life, she's seeing the media portray women as objects of desire, because of looks...or whatever it may be. In this media view, to be wanted by men is important, not really anything else.

And most industries are still male dominated, which is why you see less females in those industries. That is slowly changing, but still not that fast I guess.

On top of that, men can't bear children. If they could, there would obviously be a good number less men in 'the workforce.' Many, many, many women leave working life to be a mum. Often over and over again. There, I think, is your discrepancy between genders.

There's probably a whole lot of other things too, these were just off the top of my head.

I don't know how to say this because I don't want to.

But I guess my general observation is that it SEEMS like girls tend to have less creative drive...or else they don't pursue it in the same manner...

I don't believe or what to believe that this is like a biological thing or whatever, so I'm curious about what might cause it?

Of course theres the possibility that im just a horribly sexist pig who doesnt see girls for real...but I have beleive it or not talked to some cool girls in my lifetime...and a lot of them seem just as dumbfounded by it as me.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations oh fuck off and make me some emo trip hop no seriously i keed i keed .. no but seriously...

its just my opinion dude...dont get me wrong i know i suck at producing and shit, I wasnt trying to be personal.

I simply don't really like the idea of seeing djs play that much...i mean yeah its about the music and party or something...but man acid jamming boxes is a hell of a lot cooler for a party in my opinion.

You used Heidi as an example of a bad female dj? You lose this thread sir.

Personally I'm not professionally creative, I think that's partially because there's no monetary gain in it and that's what's more important to me than happy thoughts and I'm not a happy person when I'm broke. It would be nice where I could just sit down with 'hobby' creativity that I enjoy, but it's going to have to wait until I have the financial security, no mortgage and time to do it. What small amount of time I have spare I like to spend doing creative things, I still make or alter a lot of my clothes, sometimes I'll get to play on the mixer and spin up some tunes, an activity which you seem to despise or even just fart around with make up.
PVDangel is someone making/aiming for a career in graphic design I think and might be better qualified to answer how she sees it as a professional activity.

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Originally posted by bas You used Heidi as an example of a bad female dj? You lose this thread sir.

Well she is playing a record that dj assault could have played a lot better back in the day...without pretending to be cutting the bass on the track when thats actually just the way the track goes (if you have this record?)

Also how many tries does it take her to cue the record? and it it just me or does she panic when she grabs the second record, and the bass drops on the playing record and shes like "oh shit i gotta pretend to be cutting that bass!"

nah i dont despise djing...its cool for little parties and shit when you dont wanna set up a lot of gear. Fuck, I'll play records don't get me wrong. I just wouldnt expect to get paid for it usually. It isnt as engaging as programming tracks live.

I just dont think it deserves the respect it gets. Making a mix is an art by all means...but all arts are not created equally.

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Originally posted by beats and beeps I just dont think it deserves the respect it gets. Making a mix is an art by all means...but all arts are not created equally.

Well that's your problem right there, a subjective judgement based on only your personal opinion or preferences. Which is at least as valid as anyone else's subjective judgements but never leads to any kind of conclusive answers. Just a circular Yes-No argument.

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Originally posted by Lilith Well that's your problem right there, a subjective judgement based on only your personal opinion or preferences. Which is at least as valid as anyone else's subjective judgements but never leads to any kind of conclusive answers. Just a circular Yes-No argument.

thats right so lets have it

I gave my opinion you give yours. What am i supposed to do, go oh everybody likes different things so im just gonna shut up and not do anything.

No man, you follow what your passion is. Djs can go at it. If I jammed boxes live, and then some dumbass came up after and played some trance records...yeah the crowed would love him more...does that mean he is better? well not to me and not to a handful of other people. thats enough for me! everybody doesnt have to share my opinion.

you said you arent professionally creative...fuck professional creations...just be creative to start with! Pro producers can make some of the most uninspiring tracks i have ever had to hear.

yeah theres no money in it...theres no money in being an individual with taste, and being proud of what you like and do.

I can take my fair share of ridicule.
look over at the producers forum, most trancecrackers want to work efficiently and make money and shit, so they think using analogue gear is a waste of money and energy. You do what you love.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps Well she is playing a record that dj assault could have played a lot better back in the day...without pretending to be cutting the bass on the track when thats actually just the way the track goes (if you have this record?) Also how many tries does it take her to cue the record? and it it just me or does she panic when she grabs the second record, and the bass drops on the playing record and shes like "oh shit i gotta pretend to be cutting that bass!"

She looks fine to me

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Originally posted by bas She looks fine to me

ok she wins the DMC.

lol

Also...here:

tracy is masturbating

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Originally posted by bas lol Also...here:

Haha.

Have you got a link to the entire collection of those?

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Originally posted by beats and beeps thats right so lets have it

I have a distinct passion and creative knack for making money, preferably a lot of it and I'm good at it, that and only an idiot would get in the way of me doing it. It just happens that doing that is personally more rewarding to me than sitting around making clothes/mixes/tiesto chops in photoshop or anything else that doesn't make me able to pay the bills at the end of the week and I'm not as lucky to have it all on a plate!

That is generally seen as a bad thing by the majority of people who are either socialists, students in Che T-shirts, an ex husband, or run around at political rallies to express their personal opinions.
I don't see that as bad thing as it keeps me focused and grounded in reality, as a makeup artist I might make 40k a year, administration or sales maybe 50, upper management (which I do now) or group training 70-90, Tiesto chops on TA $0, Mixes $0, making clothes -$, renting properties out annually a six figure income.
Outgoing is also a six figure sum to the bank.

I run off and make a career out of some of those and the budget is not met, I have to liquidate assets and that is the simple reality.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Yes, it is conditioning. From the earliest years of a female child's life, she's seeing the media portray women as objects of desire, because of looks...or whatever it may be. In this media view, to be wanted by men is important, not really anything else.

that pretty much sums it up!

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