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Key of music?

I had saw this:

How can you know the key of song? And the mixs stay better if i use keys "aproximated?"
Sorry my english, bad student :S

I think you're looking for something like this:



However, I'm really not a big fan of restricting mixes to tracks that are perfectly in key. There is a whole thread about that debate here: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/s...67&forumid=8&s=

ya fuck that


i choose the songs... not the keys
screw mixing in key!

Umm, it's a tool you use as you see fit.

What if you had 2-3 tracks you want to play next, why not arrange them in key? It really DOES make a difference.

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Originally posted by theognis1002 ya fuck that i choose the songs... not the keys screw mixing in key!

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Originally posted by theognis1002 ya fuck that i choose the songs... not the keys screw mixing in key!

LOL

I have mixed reactions when it comes to this.. i dont care about the number (talking about the camelot), but ill definatly care about the letter whether its a minor or a major, i only care about the number and the letters together when switching from minor to major..

Considering there are almost NO EDM tracks in major keys, that really doesn't matter much, now does it?

This is basic music theory. Each major key has a relative minor and vice versa. The camelot wheel is nothing more than the circle of fifths arranged with numbers. C goes to G, because G is 7 half steps above C (the perfect 5th), and around the wheel you go until you come back full circle.

Read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths

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Originally posted by Hasneez I have mixed reactions when it comes to this.. i dont care about the number (talking about the camelot), but ill definatly care about the letter whether its a minor or a major, i only care about the number and the letters together when switching from minor to major..

The number and the letter are really the same damn thing.

I think he meant "a or b" to indicate major/minor, not the actual letter of the key. I think. It didn't make much sense regardless

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Originally posted by Zild The number and the letter are really the same damn thing.

Oh yea there aren't any majors, so I want even thinking about that.

Out of 10,000+ tracks in my database, fewer than 100 are in a major key... and some of those are slightly suspect

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screw mixing in key!

Yeah! And screw beatmatching too!

Yeah screw beatmatching! If I want to play a happy hardcore track after a deep house track I damn well will! I'm not letting the tempo dictate what I play because I make the decisions not the BPM!

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 I think he meant "a or b" to indicate major/minor, not the actual letter of the key. I think. It didn't make much sense regardless

yeah that's what i meant... not alot of tracks are in "b" but i do have some.. and when mixing from "a" to "b" and the numbers werent matched, this is where i find the most trouble in having the melodies go together!

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Originally posted by Zild Yeah screw beatmatching! If I want to play a happy hardcore track after a deep house track I damn well will! I'm not letting the tempo dictate what I play because I make the decisions not the BPM!

Sadly, I've been to a couple clubs here in ATL where people actually do that. Needless to say, I didn't stay there very long.

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Originally posted by basilisk Out of 10,000+ tracks in my database, fewer than 100 are in a major key... and some of those are slightly suspect Yeah! And screw beatmatching too!

jajajaja I was about to say the same thing

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Originally posted by basilisk Out of 10,000+ tracks in my database, fewer than 100 are in a major key... and some of those are slightly suspect Yeah! And screw beatmatching too!

Yeah just play a premixed CD and Jesus pose the whole night!

-once scientists thought the world was flat, then found it to be round.

-artists in pre-modern times only believed in painting in realism, then cubism and abstract revolutionized the meaning of art.

-and today many DJs feel the absolute need to mix in key.

the point is to keep in mind there are no absolutes. mix creatively and have fun.

music theory is great to learn, don't get me wrong. but, as an artist you should never let it limit you.

Nobody ever said anything about an absolute need to mix in key. People have said that it is a good tool to use or discard as you see fit, but you are the one making the assumption that it is absolute.

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Originally posted by kwnds I had saw this: How can you know the key of song? And the mixs stay better if i use keys "aproximated?" Sorry my english, bad student :S

if that cd is showing keys, why arent the transitions keymatched?
to me looks like only the transition between track 4 and 5 would sound harmonic.

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I don't think anybody said that was a mix cd... could just be someones DJ cd.

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Originally posted by kadomony if that cd is showing keys, why arent the transitions keymatched? to me looks like only the transition between track 4 and 5 would sound harmonic.

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Originally posted by hooj1 -and today many DJs feel the absolute need to mix in key.

that being because there is such a huge trend of dj's nowadays looking for ways to improve how they sound behind the decks.. lots of them are starting to brush up on their technical skills (harmonic mixing is one of said skills) and programming by finding ways to improve how they sound, i don't see a problem with that nor do many people here, why do you?

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Originally posted by starboy that being because there is such a huge trend of dj's nowadays looking for ways to improve how they sound behind the decks.. lots of them are starting to brush up on their technical skills (harmonic mixing is one of said skills) and programming by finding ways to improve how they sound, i don't see a problem with that nor do many people here, why do you?

i think its great that DJs want to improve thier technical skills. i'm just cautioning new guys that focusing on having perfectly keyed tunes all the time can take away from thier creativity.

i speak from experience when i used attend music school. they pretty much force feed us this western music theory stuff and i felt it limited creativity. it limits chord progressions and some very good music.

i myself do play in key, but i do not really focus on it ( i guess that comes from playing intruments for so long). in fact i would say to all DJs that are serious about what they do should learn to play an instrment. it really helps train your ears.

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Originally posted by hooj1 i think its great that DJs want to improve thier technical skills. i'm just cautioning new guys that focusing on having perfectly keyed tunes all the time can take away from thier creativity.

Do you meen perfecly in key mixes? if thats what your saying than yeah a whole set perfectly in key would be ridiculous.. but no one here is encouraging that..

if you meen your cautioning guys who key all their music, i dissagree. by doing this it promotes creativity, by knowing what combo's will work. it also gives you the ability to do semi tone jumps and +2 jumps that can destroy the dance floor if done right..

also, by knowing the keys of your music you can mix lots of genres together seamlesly without sounding nasty, or worrying what will work with what

very good point starboy. knowing what key changes affect the crowd is huge. and i agree totally because i like to do this myself.

but what i'm saying is don't let keys limit you. meaning don't
be afraid to toss in a track that according to music theory shouldn't be played next. it may sound great but you would never know if you stictly follow that circle of fifths chart.

Jesus, give me strength...

1. Why is it that people don't see the link between how music is written and how it is mixed?

2. There is much more to HM than that bloody wheel from Camelot, although Camelot themselves don't seem to want to realise this.

3. Some people also don't seem to appreciate that there are also some things that can go wrong if you mix keys in a certain way. Try a key drop when the crowd is going for it and you will see. It starts off quite subtle and do another and you will some interesting signs interms of body language from clubbers etc.

Personally I don't give a flying f*ck if some of you do it or not. It's your choice, but if you are going to state that it's pointless then at least come with a decent arguement as to why you think so. Otherwise it's just sour grapes because you either can't be arsed or haven't quite been able to work it out.

Other's also seem to believe that it limits creativty, you couldn't be more missinformed, if anything, at least in my experience it has done nothing but open up more creative opportunities for 3 deck plus mixing. HM is a must for that unless you are in the realms of minimal techno and even then you would still sound better if you knew why your mixes worked and why they didn't.

Nem

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