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Logic Pro vs. Reason

Hey Guys,
I'm being forced to switch to a mac computer in December. And I'm a FL Studio user, which is only for PC. But additionally, I want to switch to Logic Pro and Reason. So I already have experience with FL Studio since April. But which one should I get Logic Pro or Reason. Which one is the best to get. I hear things about Reason like "I've had it for a year and still don't get it!" and I haven't heard much about Logic Pro. Right now I'm leaning towards Logic Pro because I hear all the pros dominantly use that one and I'm sick and tired of using the cheesy shit from FL Studio.
Help me out

If it takes a year for a person to get reason, then his life will be too short to get to know logic. Besides, if you make cheesy shit in fl, don't expect to make anything better in other software.

To answer your question, it's all down to your own taste. If you plan to use external instruments you should get logic. Reason is great value and is a lot easier to start with + it's a lot cheaper. Later on you can still buy one of the big tools and rewire reason.

First you have to know what you are going to do. I know most of the people will tell you download the demo and see yourself but I personally get to know what I need after I try something out for a long time and thats why im telling you if you have a chance to get a copy of both from friends do it, if not then you have to ask yourself a Question :
"Will I use hardware (Synth) gear??""
IF yes = Logic
IF no = Reason (cauz it hasn't any audio channels only midi my friend)
And remember that Reason 4 is coming out and and I also read many articles about Emagic and that they are preparing logic 8 which will be called something different than Logic (they will come out with a new DAW).So dont buy now at any reason!!!
hope this helps see you

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Originally posted by Khayat First you have to know what you are going to do. I know most of the people will tell you download the demo and see yourself but I personally get to know what I need after I try something out for a long time and thats why im telling you if you have a chance to get a copy of both from friends do it, if not then you have to ask yourself a Question : "Will I use hardware (Synth) gear??"" IF yes = Logic IF no = Reason (cauz it hasn't any audio channels only midi my friend) And remember that Reason 4 is coming out and and I also read many articles about Emagic and that they are preparing logic 8 which will be called something different than Logic (they will come out with a new DAW).So dont buy now at any reason!!! hope this helps see you

Thanks this one helped. But wait when you say there aren't any audio channels...do you mean like there isn't a mixer? I confused...I'm still a n00b at this so you gotta baby talk me...midi vs. audio channels? Define.

And also...whats easier to get the hang of. Thats my biggest concern?

Audio Channels means that u cant record audio from external unit or external hardware.So you can only make music using the sounds of reason , Reason comes with many kool synthesizers and reason is easier to start with logic is to pro I personally think that Cubase 4 on mac would be better but this is my personal opinion

Re: Logic Pro vs. Reason

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Originally posted by DesMc8 Hey Guys, I'm being forced to switch to a mac computer in December. And I'm a FL Studio user, which is only for PC. But additionally, I want to switch to Logic Pro and Reason. So I already have experience with FL Studio since April. But which one should I get Logic Pro or Reason. Which one is the best to get. I hear things about Reason like "I've had it for a year and still don't get it!" and I haven't heard much about Logic Pro. Right now I'm leaning towards Logic Pro because I hear all the pros dominantly use that one and I'm sick and tired of using the cheesy shit from FL Studio. Help me out

If it's a brand new mac that you're getting, install windows on it via bootcamp and keep using FL. End of story.

L.

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Originally posted by Khayat Audio Channels means that u cant record audio from external unit or external hardware.So you can only make music using the sounds of reason , Reason comes with many kool synthesizers and reason is easier to start with logic is to pro I personally think that Cubase 4 on mac would be better but this is my personal opinion

Thanks...you helped me the most...

haha... you didnt know about bootcamp ?

I started on Reason and have since moved onto Logic Pro.

If you have only just started messing with production in April, I would recommend getting reason. It is alot easier to understand and you can still get great results.

As a 4 year old reason producer i would recommend you to go for Logic.

Logic leanring curve is maybe more difficuilt (was more harder for me when sean tyas tried to teach me) And i eventually gave up. I just missed the workflow of Reason.

But that's because i got used to Reaaon heh.

So if you want to get to used to something , i'd say go for something that gives you the most options, which is Logic.

Reason has 2 synths. But around end of the year new version of reason is coming whihc is providing a nice powerfull new synth which makes things more intresting.

You don't need many synths to create your sounds. Many people pump up many VSTs and think they can do it all now. But you only need less than a handfull good synths.

Though i wish i had acess to Atmosphere and Trilogy through reason

I'd personally go for logic if I were in a Macintosh switch -- just because I want access to my VSTs.

im having the same dilema
i was just going to go with logic and then buy reason 4 when it comes out and rewire it through logic.
best of both worlds however more expensive

I'd say get reason, you'll get the hang of it in no time and you can rewire if need be. [ wait for reason 4 tho ]

I'd definately go for logic. I've never used logic, but if its anything like comparing cubase to reason, I find things like logic/cubase much much easier. Actually, I just hate reason.

Problem 1: Reason has no audio capability, so if you want to use any external synths or record any audio (guitar, vocals etc) your stuffed.
Problem 2: no vst support, which means that your stuck with the reason synths, which may give your track a sound like every other reason user, especially if your new.
Problem 3: the editing options are impossible (for me at least) the editing section of the interface is miniscule compared to cubase/PT/Live/logic.

I don't recommend buying software because you think you sound crap. So if you like FL then stick with it and run bootcamp like Lolo said. But I really don't recommend reason.

Look at ableton live for something easy and flexible, but download a copy of each to work out what you actually want, its the only real way to know...

I do know that Cubase and Logic are very widely used by producuers and audio professionals in the field. They are generally considered a standard part of the music production arsenal. If you are a professional you will have naturally discovered the more advanced software like Cubase or Logic. I have never used either of them, to tell you the truth. I started off in FruityStudio and also grew weary of the sounds coming out of it. That's when I discovered Reason.

The interface is based entirely on the concept of rack mounts and hardware. This creates a nice work flow for organizing sounds and instruments. Outside of a wave editer, there's little Cubase or Logic can do that Reason cannot. Reason does not support VST because it is a stand-alone application that runs the way it should all the time. If you design it to run with VST it could compromise the stability and overall performance of Reason. I have been using Reason for nearly 4 years and had only 1 or 2 instances where it has frozen or misbehaved. Ever. If you want to use VST, you will have no problem using ReWire to achieve that.

As far as sequencing and editing goes, there are plenty of videos or help files for using the Reason sequencer. It can be cumbersome if you aren't familiar with all of the parameters. Each knob or parameter is fully programmable in Reason, with great effect. I still have not fully used all of the parameter control because there is so much! There are many different ways to attain sounds, and many different steps you can use to change or manipulate the sound. Reason has everything you would expect from a world-class DAW and more. =]]

In closing, you may just want to smoke some weed and fuck around with these fantastic applications. The Reason website has plenty of information about their program and you can also get tons of information about artists who use it. Steinberg is equally tentative. If you understand the basics of music production you'll have a fun time creating sounds either way. It takes many, many years and thousands of hours to become anywhere near "decent", so don't get too far ahead of yourself.

CHEERS!

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Originally posted by kitphillips I'd definately go for logic. I've never used logic, but if its anything like comparing cubase to reason, I find things like logic/cubase much much easier. Actually, I just hate reason. Problem 1: Reason has no audio capability, so if you want to use any external synths or record any audio (guitar, vocals etc) your stuffed. Problem 2: no vst support, which means that your stuck with the reason synths, which may give your track a sound like every other reason user, especially if your new. Problem 3: the editing options are impossible (for me at least) the editing section of the interface is miniscule compared to cubase/PT/Live/logic.

Lets agree to disagree.
Reason is a fantastic application. It is easy to master and most importantly it is the most fun application to make beats with! If you are starting out this is the program to get.
Great for coming up with ideas!

I have logic and I have reason and I also use a few hardware synths.
I start everything in reason. I use it as a preproduction enviroment.
A ''songwritting tool''
In songwritting mode I do not want to worry about mixing at all.
I want good sounding presets and a nice interface to import all my drum sounds and everything. All I need is a step sequencer to get the beat popping and then lay down the bass the lead the pads and everything all sound on sound and I will worry about the technical shit ...

In production stage:
Once I get the whole track layed down I bounce the tracks indevidually as audio. I export the main midi file and open logic where I import the audio files and the midi files and begin the process of getting everything to glue together.
I use the q10 and the logic and waves effects.

Some tracks from reason make it to the final mix.
But some tracks never make it to the final mix. They get replaced by tracks I track from the triton or the virus synth or other NI and logic plug ins.

Once I get the tracks I want I begin the mixing process eqing and all that.


I find this method better, faster and more productive...
Reason is great for writting songs and coming up with ideas logic is great for engineering
mixing those tracks and turning those ideas into a great sounding mix.

Cheers.

cheers man =]

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